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Old 12-25-2011, 10:10 PM   #1
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Hello all, I'm back with another inquiry.

Now, first thing first....YES, I know that buying the GT is cheaper, YES I know that buying a donor car is cheaper, and YES I know that the general opinion of people in the world is that it's not worth it.

so please don't answer my question with any of the above, sorry for any offense, I've been searching and searching for the answer and all I can find are threads on every other car forum and the like with millions of posts about, "Buy the GT, you'll save money"

I'm dead set on the swap, no talking me out of it, money is not a problem.

Now, I have a 2000 3.8L sixxer, and I've just found a 302 V8 out of a 1988 F-150 for dirt cheap and I'm trying to figure out if I would want to buy it.

Anyway, my question(s) is this...


Will it bolt up to the T5 transmission, no problem and questions asked?

quick replies would be nice but I understand.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:48 PM   #2
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The answers you state are in the response to the 4.6L usually.. totally pointless swap that engine is horrible...

If your going to do a v8 swap do the simple swap, you will be much happier with the result.. my recommendation is to go ahead and either build a carb'ed big block with a blower on top or find a crate engine that you like. At that point you can take out p/s and a/c and have an awesome simplistic modern style car.
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although I appreciate the response and advice, I'd just like to know what I asked about the motor I have lined up at the moment, anything else isn't very relevant to me right now because I have to know if I'm going to buy this motor tomorrow, and if I don't then I have a lot more time to decide what I want to do with my car and the time to decide if I want to do what you suggested

outside of that, I just need to know if the T5 from a 2000 3.8L V6 Mustang will bolt up to a 1988 5.0L V8
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If you're dead set on a V8 swap and money is not a problem, don't waste time going with a stock 88 5.0. It won't make much more power than your V6. Torque will be a bit better.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for motor swaps. And if you say money isn't an issue, then you have a few options. You can get that 302 and build the snot out of it, or you can find a 351 and build that. That's a better option and shouldn't be that much more expensive. Big blocks will probably be harder to find and more expensive, also more of a complicated swap.

Now if you really wanna make some serious power and have a badass and slightly more unique car, go with an LSX motor. I don't know how you feel about a GM in a Ford, but let me tell you, there's no feeling like driving an LSX powered car. I don't care what the Ford fanboys say, nothing can hold a candle as far as dollar for dollar power and simplicity to an LSX. Put it this way: it took ford 14 years to build a motor (2011 Coyote 5.0) in a Mustang that can compete with technology from 1997.
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Old 12-25-2011, 11:59 PM   #5
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You can get that 302 and build the snot out of it
this is essentially what I'm planning on doing, I'm not going to swap it right away, I just want to know if it'll bolt up


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that's all there is to that option haha, that's borderline sacrilegious for me, being a diehard 'stang fan, I wouldn't be respected driving it around, no matter how much power it's pushin, just not what I'm looking to do
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You need a 94-95 k member. Acc drive, rad, computer if you keep efi, but it doesn't matter because the car won't pass emissions any way. There is a thread on here somewhere about it. It would be easier to do a 4v 5.4 swap, and you would get more power, or I would atlas start with a 351
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I don't think an 88 truck motor would be the best foundation to build upon. Unless you are planning to go with different heads and intake along with a fresh rebuild, then a used truck motor probably isn't the way to go. I recently went shopping for a new 5.0L for my SSP, and I located a freshly rebuilt motor for DIRT CHEAP. Now putting another 5.0L in my 85 isn't a big deal, as the car was built for it. But you need to determine if your car will pass emissions after your proposed swap. The requirements vary by state.

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LOL. When you say "cheap", they'd better be paying you to take it.

Money isn't a problem, then planning on swapping in the cheapest underpowered excuse for a V8 Ford made - that acutally doesn't make more power than the current V6. And after all is said and done won't be street legal or able to be covered by auto insurance.

If you need info, I would suggest NOT telling us what to answer.
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If money isn't a problem as stated above, do a 4v swap from a 03/04 cobra. Why are you dead set on a slow *** 5.0 motor from a truck? If it's going to be a track car, which it will be if you do this swap (won't smog/insure) you might as well do a 351 stroker setup and make the knuckle busting worth it. I really hope you reconsider, by the time you do this swap, you would of wished you just slapped a pro-charger on your six and called it a day(would still be a decently fast/fun ride), which would decimate a stock 302 conversion ANY ways.
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*sigh*


for those of you wondering why in the world I would go for a 302, and for the second or so time of saying it

I need to know because I found one, no other reason, I don't need to know what you think I should do, I don't need to know if the new V6's make better power than an 88 302 does, I don't even need to know what you think of the swap I'm thinking about, because here's the thing

I already know this stuff. I've been told here, and read it everywhere else I've tried to find the answer to my question and it seems the only thing anyone can ever do is offer their opinion instead of answering a question.

WHAT I NEED TO KNOW is will the 302 from an 88 F-150 bolt up to a T5 transmission

is it that hard to answer a simple question? The closest I got to a decent answer was from mustangman02232, even though it didn't answer the main thing I want to know


I don't plan on swapping it right away. My V6 isn't done for, however it's not in mint condition and has a lot of problem, so I don't see it lasting for more than a couple more years. I plan on driving the V6 until it physically can't move the car anymore, then is when I'll do the swap. Now, I am not dead set on a 302 swap, I am set on a swap, but the displacement is variable, it really doesn't matter to me. I'm trying to figure out whether or not to buy this motor that I've found because there aren't that many around here for this cheap. A 302 around here is usually upwards of 200 bucks, this one I can get for 100, and if I decide I don't want to put it in or it's in worse shape than expected then I can simply just take it to the scrapyard and only lose 30 bucks which isn't much at all. If I do buy it and put it in my stang, I have the means to rebuild it, new heads and all, and that's what I intend to do. All I want to know now, is will the tranny bolt up to the 302 that I may buy, this way I can know if it will fit in someday if I decide to use it and whether or not I should buy the damn thing.

all of your input is appreciated, really, however I'm not interested in what you think I should do because frankly I'm just trying to decide what I'm going to do NOW, and not talk about what kinds of things I could be doing if I found the right motor for the right price



hopefully that may have been clear enough to get an answer
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your going to need to swap the bellhousing and get a new driveshaft but if its the same pattern as the foxs it will work
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^^ That's correct, the bell housing is different.
I was thinking if you used the right bell housing the driveshaft will work??? I might be wrong.


Most of us just want to make sure you understand what you are getting into. SOOOOO many people get in here wanting to swap a 302 because they think it's a more powerful motor - and the truth is, stock for stock, you're equal and losing money on the swap. There are cheaper and easier ways to make power than a V8 swap.
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The only 5.0 motors that will work in a Mustang are Mustang 5.0L motors. The 94/95 Motor would be the best option as it's already made to bolt in to the Sn-95 body. The thunder bird, lincoln, explorer, and F series 5.0s are the same motor but everything else is different and not compatible with the Mustang layout.

The 5.0 will not bolt up to the V6 T-5 trasmission without modification to the driveshaft. The 5.0 uses a world class transmission instead of the weaker standard T-5. The 94/95 Sn 95 platforms have a slightly longer input shaft than the older 93 and back 5.0s so again you need the 94/95 layout or modification of the driveshaft.


If you have all the money in the world then don't do it cheap and DO NOT USE a 5.0!!! The amount of money needed to perform the swap, as nothing on a 96+ Mustang is compatable with an older 5.0, then put a Terminator motor in the car. A place on ebay sells the entire swap kit for $10,000 dollars. All you need to do is install it.
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BTW take it from somebody with a 5.0, the 4.6L 3V or 4V modular motor is the better building block IMO. The 2V isn't nearly as good and in that case the 5.0 is the better engine. You could even consider putting in the new modular 5.0 engine in your car. Several sites sell most of the coversion kit needed to put it in any year Mustang. That way you'd have a 400+ hp 5.0 that still can get 24-26 mpg. No older 5.0 is capable of that.

But if you insist here is exactly what you need, no ands, its, or butts about it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/87-93-94-95-...item2a160ee79e

or the better option:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-MUSTAN...item1c22035642

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-1995-MU...item336fd42304

or the much better option:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MPS-HD-REMAN...item1c1f61d5fd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-Ford-M...item1c1ce9e087

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-FORD-M...item20bd3a46d4

Or I'll sell you my old GT ECU

Or this for the Cobra setup:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-1995-FO...item3a6e56ccdc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-MUSTAN...item1e5fe64523

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-MUSTAN...item19be033044

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang...item336fb8052d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-95-Ford...item1c20c6ca4c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-FORD-M...item19c9354af9

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Racing-...item2c61d2e7e2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-MUSTAN...item1c218f93a8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/94-95-Ford-M...item2a17537020



Plus a sh*t ton of little parts I didn't get in like the radiator, shocks, struts, odd and in dash parts, etc...
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BTW take it from somebody with a 5.0, the 4.6L 3V or 4V modular motor is the better building block IMO.

Wow.... Really? Are you actually serious? You must have built that 5.0 completely bass-ackwards if you think the 4.6 is a better building block. The only thing the 4.6 has on the old 5.0 is stock for stock more power. Just the fact that cams for a 4v are $1200 should be all the evidence you need to prove your opinion wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the 5.0 is the cats meow or anything, but it's certainly better than a 4.6.
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The 5.0 will not bolt up to the V6 T-5 trasmission without modification to the driveshaft. The 5.0 uses a world class transmission instead of the weaker standard T-5. The 94/95 Sn 95 platforms have a slightly longer input shaft than the older 93 and back 5.0s so again you need the 94/95 layout or modification of the driveshaft.
FWIW: 99-04 V6s used WC T5s.
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This thread....*facepalm* is all I'm going to say.

Don't get me wrong, I'm doing a V8 swap myself in my 95, but seriously? Why do you think I haven't started a thread on it myself? Nothing but arguments, different opinions, and a lot of frustration.
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The V6s use a completely different T-5 than the 5.0s they use the standard T-5 transmission which is rated at 265 ft lbs of torque. The higher WC transmissions are rated between 300-340 ft lbs depending on the model.

I still personally think the 3V and 4V 4.6Ls are the better building block. The 5.0 has a lot of weak spots, and have to take extra work to keep them running past 500 hp, the 4Vs have no problem with this as long as the proper internals (such as those in the Terminators) are used. The only upside to the 5.0 is the price of being able to mod them. But other than that they are a complete pain in the *** because of the limitations with tuning and the mountain high cost that comes with tuning them. They're pretty easy to get to 250-300 rwhp, but beyond that they get costly, and generally requires F/I which pushes the block to its limits. The other down side is the age of the cars they come in, while cheap to repair they are harder to work on at times because they have so few reliable electronics.

My 5.0 works fine and the only mistake I ever made with it was running 11 PSI with a Kenne Bell supercharger, but the age of the car is taking its tole and it's about on par or even a little less than my 08 GT.

Like I said, I like the ease of working on them, but 5.0s are truely a pain in the butt at times.
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This thread....*facepalm* is all I'm going to say.

Don't get me wrong, I'm doing a V8 swap myself in my 95, but seriously? Why do you think I haven't started a thread on it myself? Nothing but arguments, different opinions, and a lot of frustration.
because someone who actually knows what they are doing to do the swap doesnt need to start a thread about it?

with the exception of the termi motors, your not getting more then 450 ponies out of a 4.6 OR a 5.0 without upgrades
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