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V6 X-Charger or Vortech HO? Advantage between gear driven and twin screw?

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Old 02-21-2010, 10:56 AM   #21
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I'm not sure on 1/8 times, I tend to think in terms of 1/4 mile (which always makes it tough at the local track for bracket dial in because they run the brackets on the 1/8).

I pulled up my last time slips in 2009 and it shows a 8.67 and 8.88
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:31 AM   #22
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To answer the OP first question. Centrifugals, roots and twins screws are all gear driven meaning they are driven buy a belt and internally have gears that turn the rotors or turbine wheel where a Turbocharger is driven by exhaust gasses.

The Vortec is centrifugal supercharger meaning it has a small gear driven turbine wheel that move the air. The X-Charger is a modified roots supercharger meaning it has two long gear driven rotors that intermesh and move the air.

Another question asked by the OP was the difference between roots and twin screw.

Although the housings look similar and they basically mount the same, inside the rotors are completely different and actually turn different directions. In a roots both rotors look exactly the same were in a twin screw one is male and one is female. With a roots the air enters and follows along the inside of the housing and out the bottom. With a twin screw the air enters and goes through the rotors and out the bottom which also creates internal compression. Root do not have internal compression and only build boost in the manifold. Up until now the twins screws had a pretty good advantage with thermal efficiency which helps a lot in making more power due to not heating the air as much before it enters the combustion chamber. The new Eaton TVS roots now edges the twins screws just slightly in this area and has the added benefit of not heating the air when not in boosts, like twins screw do because or their internal compression, which allows the intercooler, if so equipped, more time to cool the water.

Not long from now there will be an X-Charger kit available based on the new Eaton TVS R1900. It is currently in the design and prototype phase. As for the Intercooled X-Charger based on the Eaton M90, with a good tune and supporting mods it will be very close to a centrifugal like Vortec or Procharger and should actually edge them a little on torque. When the TVS X-Charger becomes available it should edge the centrifugals on power and torque and have the added benefit of the low end torque the roots and famous for and centrifugals totally lack.
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Any idea when this TVS is coming out?
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:50 AM   #24
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Not firm date on the TVS but probably sometime this summer. The intercooled X-Charger is ready to ship from what I understand but there is a slight hold up on some fuel rail parts from Ford. To upgrade to a TVS will only require changing the blower and tune if you already have the intercooled version.
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Not firm date on the TVS but probably sometime this summer. The intercooled X-Charger is ready to ship from what I understand but there is a slight hold up on some fuel rail parts from Ford. To upgrade to a TVS will only require changing the blower and tune if you already have the intercooled version.
Gaylon, I thought there was more to upgrading to the TVS than just the blower itself and tune? Someone mentioned there would brackets and adapters that would need replaced as well. If that's right, then that changes everything. Do you think Dave would sell partial X kits minus the blower? Then those upgrading to the TVS could sell others their MP90 blowers and they could buy the partial kit from Dave. That would be so cool.
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My Xcharger hi-po kit put 260 to the rear wheels from a dyno day at Alternative Auto, but it has a lot left on the table - others who have gotten some numbers are at 280 or more from what I have seen. Dyno numbers though are just a tool, real world the car on this tune runs 13.42 in the quarter mile. It runs very rich and I haven't had time to get it in for dyno tune (running the bama mail order tune right now). I also decided not to push getting it in with Lidio since I will be adding the intercooler.

The first 20 intercooler kits are already spoken for (I am in that group) which is one reason you don't find it on the Explorer Express site yet. A second reason it isn't listed is that Dave is waiting on some part from Ford though that is back ordered before he can ship. One of the problems of having to depend upon third parties is that their schedule doesn't always meet your needs.
if you dont mind me asking, how much is the intercooler kit, do you buy the x-charger and the intercooler seperatley or can they be bought together as a kit? does anybody know when the additional kits will be availiable? i was planning on ordering my blower in may/june so i have time to wait.
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Ah too bad I want a shaker, itwill have to be the Vortech for me.
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Gaylon, I thought there was more to upgrading to the TVS than just the blower itself and tune? Someone mentioned there would brackets and adapters that would need replaced as well. If that's right, then that changes everything. Do you think Dave would sell partial X kits minus the blower? Then those upgrading to the TVS could sell others their MP90 blowers and they could buy the partial kit from Dave. That would be so cool.
Oh...I forgot you will need a new inlet elbow also.

So the run down would look more like this:

To upgrade a current X-Charger you would need:

1. New Eaton TVS R1900 supercharger.
2. New inlet elbow.
3. New distrbution manaifould cover and fittings. (This colud be intercooled or not, your choice)
4. New distrbution Manaifold.
5. New coil bracket.
6. New fuel rails and adaptors if going intercooled.
7. New tune.

To upgrade from the new intercooled X-Charger Xtreme you would need.

1. New Eaton TVS R1900 supercharger.
2. New inlet elbow.
3. New tune.
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To upgrade from the new intercooled X-Charger Xtreme you would need.

1. New Eaton TVS R1900 supercharger.
2. New inlet elbow.
3. New tune.
Hmmm.... now that's kind of nice.

I was thinking that my last upgrade would be the intercooler, but it doesn't look too bad to go to the TVS some time down the road either...
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Maybe a retarded question, but how much HP and Torque do the X-Chargers put out?
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Maybe a retarded question, but how much HP and Torque do the X-Chargers put out?
The non-intercooled version with a custom tune gets around 280RWH and 290RWT
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The non-intercooled version with a custom tune gets around 280RWH and 290RWT
So I have to ask then, why are people going with the X-Charger over the Vortech set up?

X-Charger = 280-290 HP for $4500

Vortech = 330 HP for $4500 and it is intercooled.

So why does the X get so much love? It seems to me that the Vortech set up is the clear win. Same price, more horsepower, and Vortech is intercooled (an option that seems to be taking forever to get off the ground with the X).

I am looking at buying a supercharger this summer. Just trying to sort everything out!
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So I have to ask then, why are people going with the X-Charger over the Vortech set up?

X-Charger = 280-290 HP for $4500

Vortech = 330 HP for $4500 and it is intercooled.

So why does the X get so much love? It seems to me that the Vortech set up is the clear win. Same price, more horsepower, and Vortech is intercooled (an option that seems to be taking forever to get off the ground with the X).

I am looking at buying a supercharger this summer. Just trying to sort everything out!
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well i think they both give the same amount of torque, but the x delivers it faster
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The torque and HP are delivered to the car faster than a vortech. The X charger also has a louder whine, and is easier to install.

The main reasons people for for the x-charger are...
Ease of installation
The looks of the M90
The sound
and the near instant power at low RPM's.

Each type of F/I system has their pro's and cons. If I could pick my S/C all over again with any amount of money, I would go with the x-charger again. Just my preference (I love the looks/sound).
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if you dont mind me asking, how much is the intercooler kit, do you buy the x-charger and the intercooler seperatley or can they be bought together as a kit? does anybody know when the additional kits will be availiable? i was planning on ordering my blower in may/june so i have time to wait.
The first intercooler kits are $1500 + the price of new fuel rails if you have a 2006 or later (the intercooler kit requires the 2005 fuel rails) if you are adding itto yoru current Xcharger. If you are buying new with the intercooler I'm not sure since I didn't need to check that price.

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Maybe a retarded question, but how much HP and Torque do the X-Chargers put out?
That depends - I have 260 to the rear wheels and 250 torque but others are putting up higher numbers in the upper 280's and more torque. My tune is running very safe and there is a lot left on it though. I decided to hold off on a dyno tune until I get the intercooler.
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So I have to ask then, why are people going with the X-Charger over the Vortech set up?

X-Charger = 280-290 HP for $4500

Vortech = 330 HP for $4500 and it is intercooled.

So why does the X get so much love? It seems to me that the Vortech set up is the clear win. Same price, more horsepower, and Vortech is intercooled (an option that seems to be taking forever to get off the ground with the X).

I am looking at buying a supercharger this summer. Just trying to sort everything out!
If you're grabbing the 330HP figure from Vortech's literature, that's the number at the FLYWHEEL, not the rear wheels.

My X (w/ supporting mods) is putting down a very reliable 300HP at the rear wheels. Figuring 18% or so drivetrain loss, that in the ballpark of 354HP at the flywheel.
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The torque and HP are delivered to the car faster than a vortech. The X charger also has a louder whine, and is easier to install.

The main reasons people for for the x-charger are...
Ease of installation
The looks of the M90
The sound
and the near instant power at low RPM's.

Each type of F/I system has their pro's and cons. If I could pick my S/C all over again with any amount of money, I would go with the x-charger again. Just my preference (I love the looks/sound).
You rock man! Thank you for clarify that for me In buying a S/C, I'd really like more of that "seat of the pants" and squeeze your ********* up into your stomach kind of feel. Sounds like the X delivers just that.

What is the benefit to being intercooled?
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If you're grabbing the 330HP figure from Vortech's literature, that's the number at the FLYWHEEL, not the rear wheels.

My X (w/ supporting mods) is putting down a very reliable 300HP at the rear wheels. Figuring 18% or so drivetrain loss, that in the ballpark of 354HP at the flywheel.
So maybe a very noobish question, but what is the difference between "flywheel" and "rear wheels"?

As always, thanks for the help Torch_Vert
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