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Old 12-23-2003, 04:08 AM   #11
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I guess I should follow up by saying this...</P>


Give is hard evidence that these AMSOIL filters work better than K&amp;N. Don't expect people on here to take your word for it, when you have no proof to back it up. K&amp;N has been #1 as long as it has for good reason. Show us time slips of cars with faster times with AMSOIL filters. Show ushow engine life can be prolonged due to your claimed "better filtering" technology. Give us the names of some race car drivers who choose AMSOIL over K&amp;N. Until then, K&amp;N will always be the best.</P>
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Old 12-23-2003, 04:45 AM   #12
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I guess I should follow up by saying this...</P>


Give is hard evidence that these AMSOIL filters work better than K&amp;N. Don't expect people on here to take your word for it, when you have no proof to back it up. K&amp;N has been #1 as long as it has for good reason. Show us time slips of cars with faster times with AMSOIL filters. Show ushow engine life can be prolonged due to your claimed "better filtering" technology. Give us the names of some race car drivers who choose AMSOIL over K&amp;N. Until then, K&amp;N will always be the best.</P>

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First or all, These are OEM replacement filters and have constantly been improved. The most recent materials have been created by 3M. I attended the Convention AMSOIL put on in Duluth, MN where all the suppliers for AMSOIL gave demonstrations, and with the filters they had a display showing the compromised sealing materials and gauze K&amp;N uses.. </P>


No, you don't have to take my word for it but the craftsmanship, materials, adhesives and rigidness of these filters can not be compared. If you need names of who uses AMSOIL try Mark Martin, Ford team Roush (Dealer Dave Mann - Just look it up), and the entire Unser family which were there at the AMSOIL Convention and have exclusively used AMSOIL in all their endevors. Not likely the filters as these are for OEM.</P>


There are some tests on line but your mind is made up so what's the point? </P>


</FONT>Dealers have access to a machine I mentioned above where you can take any filter and dump the metered bag of dirt using both and there are the results but I am not ready to buy the $400 machine when there are a lot of common sense folks that know the value of a filter you can see holes in it which get larger when water is forced through. I have a lot of diesel customers that know about the restriction guage and call us for the super duty 7.3 filters all the time. Just search yourself.</P>


But AMSOIL is a particular product for smart people who understand commercialism such as whatMobil 1 doeswith sponsors &amp; throws out millions of products; sort of like Al Gore and the California Democrats who want to toss out condoms to your kids.. </P>


Most of these big contenders in short duration racesdon't have any regard for filtration as the engines get torn down anyway but again, there are a million aftermarket foam filters but they are not popular because it's difficult to design one in the aftermarket intake cone design. Something that AMSOIL is working on now. But like I said. Use oil analysis and look at your silicone levels. Then change the filter and look at them again. I have the proof of that on my site but I guess I made up that scan of the analysis sheet.. </P>


Check out baja racing and you will see foam and oil bath type elements.</P>


In 1960 there was a Camel <FONT size=2>cigarette commercial that said, "More Doctors smoke Camel than any other cigarette!" </FONT></P>


<FONT size=2>So there you go... K&amp;N Bites the dust!</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2></P></FONT>Well, I'm prabably going to get thrown off the site now but how else do you respond to this nonsence?<edited><editID>Roundabout</editID><editDate>37978.0873263889</editDate></edited>
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Old 12-23-2003, 05:13 AM   #13
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So you went to an AMSOIL convention, run by AMSOIL, and paid for by AMSOIL, and then you tell us that it's better. If its been around for so long, why havn't people been using it more than any other brands? I understand that you're trying to tell of a new product that is supposedly better, and you may indeed have graphs and analysis of the new design. But we need more proof than just telling us a couple people who use it, and who endorsed it at this AMSOIL run conference. I like my K&amp;N, I've washed it a few times and the cloth is still nice and tight. If I can get a hold of an AMSOIL cone or whatever that fits the CAI, I'll run it and tell you if it makes a difference. We need dynoed results.
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Old 12-23-2003, 05:17 AM   #14
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he never even said the filters were used by those folks, just amsoil in general.</P>


i also don't think he's saying it flows better, but rather flows comparably yet with better filtration</P>
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Ok ok, good point. So it has better filtration, yet flows the same, making the same amount of power. But we still need more hard evidence.</P>
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So you went to an AMSOIL convention, run by AMSOIL, and paid for by AMSOIL, and then you tell us that it's better. If its been around for so long, why havn't people been using it more than any other brands? I understand that you're trying to tell of a new product that is supposedly better, and you may indeed have graphs and analysis of the new design. But we need more proof than just telling us a couple people who use it, and who endorsed it at this AMSOIL run conference. I like my K&amp;N, I've washed it a few times and the cloth is still nice and tight. If I can get a hold of an AMSOIL cone or whatever that fits the CAI, I'll run it and tell you if it makes a difference. We need dynoed results.
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I knew someone would say that. And your post is very reasonable. </P>


Perhaps I shouldn't have tried to advertise the filters in this forum. The idea behind the AMSOIL FlowZair is a lower cost better flowing aftermarket filter to replace the air restricting OEM.</P>


AMSOIL has not yet made the new handout available in pdf format which explains the theory pretty well. The two stage foam, the increased surface area of the 1st stage, then the diffusion layer. The old filter was good but this one has even more rigidness for high air flow in flat filter boxes and a new seal that no matter how long it is crimped it will always rebound to the orgional shape. A material made for AMSOIL by 3M. The replacement oil is a high tack oil that remains tacky several degrees lower than K&amp;N's and only cost about $3. Since this is all newit's just a matter of time before you are able to see one up close or will read accurate 3rd party tests</P>


The market for this sort of filter would be a Diesel truck owner that wants to use a filter not condemed by the organizations they work in, or a owner of a standard passenger car that wants to increase air flow for a good price and the value of a filter that is guaranteed to last through multiple washings.</P>


Perhaps when I sell a few of these I will buy the demonstrator unit but I am trying to convey what has been demonstrated to me the best I can. I became a dealer 5 years ago because I was overly impressed by the performance and quality of the motoroils and motorcycle products and have about 50 other dealers that have found the same. </P>
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Old 12-23-2003, 05:54 PM   #17
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Is it going to be offered in a Cold Air application that can be used in replacement of the K&amp;N cones?
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<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" color=green size=3>I called them and talked to Jim Gould (the project manager for the filters). He said that is not the market AMSOIL is going for at the present time. Since AMSOIL's primary goal is Engine oils and industrial products their side ventures have the main focus to adding to customer convience for OEM replacement parts and quality upgrades. </FONT></P>


<FONT face="Courier New, Courier, mono"><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><FONT color=green size=3>That said, they have a new Bypass filter system that will be available soon. When you switch on the ignition there is a oil solenoid that will instantly give the engine oil pressure.</FONT><FONT size=2></P></FONT></FONT></FONT>
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Old 12-28-2003, 11:27 PM   #19
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guys..I have used amsoil products for awhile..I'm pleased...I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone but look at mobil 1 all you see is commercials right...what about redline oils you don't see them in stores but have been around for over 20 years and first used in the trucking industry and is one of the top syth. oils..I have been to a amsoil filter test at a school..it did do a better job than any other there. I have used the filters for about 14 years now it all that has ever been on my mustang... just my 2 cents
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Well if you are using filter with holes in it big enough that you catch with your eye then I think you shouldn't even have a nice car. 50$ is not a lot for a car part especially when you have over 10,000 worth of aftermarket work done on your car like many people do. Buy what you like I have K&amp;N in both my mustangs and I haven't had a problem and I don't mind spending the money and replacing them.
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