Painted stripes - over paint?
12-27-2006, 10:58 PM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
so hey anyone from nj here and know any good shops to do this, i wanna do them good the first time, get them painted one, i heard that vinyl bubbles when it rains, but i rather have my ride preped and painted to have a smooth finish and do they charge more for a different type of stripe? i want the larger middle one with two skinny sides
but as stangoil says "paint looks way better" Not only that, you look at his front fascia/dam; you can't do what he did in vinyl.
12-27-2006, 11:04 PM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
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Take the hood for example: The entire hood (after cleaning incl wax removal) has to be sanded. Much of the OE clearcoat will be sanded off but not all. It will have a flat finish. Base coat color stripes will be painted on (they are not sanded after application, material is thin) and then the entire hood recleared (2-4 coats depending on how they apply them;clear will beslightly deeper at the stripe edge, not that you can see this). I would only have it done by a shop that then sands the clear and rotary buffs as std practice. It's worth the extra for this believe me. Some shops may sand and clear the adjacent top surface of the fender (same with decklid) that way that plane of light all looks the same. (i.e. no orange peel, glassy wet look)
btw, if you know, say a couple weeks ahead that your car is going in to the paint shop. You can wash it but do not apply any wax, tire dressing, interior protectants, etc; this stuff can get airborn and end up in your new paint work. They'll probably tell you this anyway... just in case they forget to, you know.
Take the hood for example: The entire hood (after cleaning incl wax removal) has to be sanded. Much of the OE clearcoat will be sanded off but not all. It will have a flat finish. Base coat color stripes will be painted on (they are not sanded after application, material is thin) and then the entire hood recleared (2-4 coats depending on how they apply them;clear will beslightly deeper at the stripe edge, not that you can see this). I would only have it done by a shop that then sands the clear and rotary buffs as std practice. It's worth the extra for this believe me. Some shops may sand and clear the adjacent top surface of the fender (same with decklid) that way that plane of light all looks the same. (i.e. no orange peel, glassy wet look)
btw, if you know, say a couple weeks ahead that your car is going in to the paint shop. You can wash it but do not apply any wax, tire dressing, interior protectants, etc; this stuff can get airborn and end up in your new paint work. They'll probably tell you this anyway... just in case they forget to, you know.
Just how mine was done. They did go into the adjacent surfaces and "feather" in some clear as I think that is the term he used. They then buffed all areas with a high speed buffer.
12-27-2006, 11:42 PM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
ORIGINAL: fairlane292
Take the hood for example: The entire hood (after cleaning incl wax removal) has to be sanded. Much of the OE clearcoat will be sanded off but not all. It will have a flat finish. Base coat color stripes will be painted on (they are not sanded after application, material is thin) and then the entire hood recleared (2-4 coats depending on how they apply them;clear will beslightly deeper at the stripe edge, not that you can see this). I would only have it done by a shop that then sands the clear and rotary buffs as std practice. It's worth the extra for this believe me. Some shops may sand and clear the adjacent top surface of the fender (same with decklid) that way that plane of light all looks the same. (i.e. no orange peel, glassy wet look)
btw, if you know, say a couple weeks ahead that your car is going in to the paint shop. You can wash it but do not apply any wax, tire dressing, interior protectants, etc; this stuff can get airborn and end up in your new paint work. They'll probably tell you this anyway... just in case they forget to, you know.
Take the hood for example: The entire hood (after cleaning incl wax removal) has to be sanded. Much of the OE clearcoat will be sanded off but not all. It will have a flat finish. Base coat color stripes will be painted on (they are not sanded after application, material is thin) and then the entire hood recleared (2-4 coats depending on how they apply them;clear will beslightly deeper at the stripe edge, not that you can see this). I would only have it done by a shop that then sands the clear and rotary buffs as std practice. It's worth the extra for this believe me. Some shops may sand and clear the adjacent top surface of the fender (same with decklid) that way that plane of light all looks the same. (i.e. no orange peel, glassy wet look)
btw, if you know, say a couple weeks ahead that your car is going in to the paint shop. You can wash it but do not apply any wax, tire dressing, interior protectants, etc; this stuff can get airborn and end up in your new paint work. They'll probably tell you this anyway... just in case they forget to, you know.
Just how mine was done. They did go into the adjacent surfaces and "feather" in some clear as I think that is the term he used. They then buffed all areas with a high speed buffer.
12-28-2006, 12:50 AM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
Check the pics in the camera to the left below my name! Here is a car that has painted stripes. The parts that are still factory are sanded, painted with stripe color of choice, sanded again, then striped again, then whole part/panel is sanded again, cleared (whole part), sanded,cleared,sanded, and cleared. It is important to get any inperfection out of the paint so you have a smooth finish. Then when baked the car gets color sanded again and buffed to a shine with various types of polish until a mirror like shine is present with no flaws, swirls, or spiderweebing, or orange peel that everyone has come to accept as normal from the factory. It cost more than average but was worth it. There have been many posts on this and do a search Key word painted stripes. Hope it helps
12-28-2006, 01:29 AM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
I couldn't tell you but there may be two schools of thought on whether there is any sanding of the base coat. Two shops I had spoken with said no and ultimately the custom painter that did my flames and the clear said any sanding of the base canresult in visiblefine scratching. Now I don't know, the base color going down on mine was approx 14 shades of yellow blended orangeblended red, including some air brush accenting,so possibly sanding that type of color coating is a "no no". Again, after the striper did the blue outline (by hand by brush),it was not sanded. The painterwas fomerlyan automotive painter but had become primarily a custom chopper paint specialist. The guy doing the pinstripe is a striper by trade,that's the onlykind of paint work hedoes.
Years ago, I dida Rally Red base and clearcoat onmy 'frame off' 65 vette project. Idid the interior shell, door jams, hinges, inner door surfaces, headlight buckets, basically everything so the shop could easily finish the exterior panels w/o having to deal with these more time consuming areas. I was using all Dupont materials and it was important to prime, base and clear;each one basicallyone right after the other. ...no sanding, in fact no real time in between, just the time to switch guns and/or reload. As I recall I could have waited on the clear but the primer followed by the base was critical for adhesion. I only mention this because there was no sanding of the base.
Maybe we can get a prof painter to comment on the question of 'sanding basecolor'.
Years ago, I dida Rally Red base and clearcoat onmy 'frame off' 65 vette project. Idid the interior shell, door jams, hinges, inner door surfaces, headlight buckets, basically everything so the shop could easily finish the exterior panels w/o having to deal with these more time consuming areas. I was using all Dupont materials and it was important to prime, base and clear;each one basicallyone right after the other. ...no sanding, in fact no real time in between, just the time to switch guns and/or reload. As I recall I could have waited on the clear but the primer followed by the base was critical for adhesion. I only mention this because there was no sanding of the base.
Maybe we can get a prof painter to comment on the question of 'sanding basecolor'.
12-28-2006, 01:52 AM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
Thats what the painter and I did for the base color. I agree about the primer but he wanted it to be at least 4 mils thick before basecoat as the cervinis urethane parts was what he sts "needed alot of prep work and sanding as the casts the parts are made from left the part in rough condition" Now granted the painter is a friend and he had 30 yrs exp under his belt and maybe he went a little over board as I wanted perfection. Maybe he just wanted something to represent his work as he just bought his own shop and needs to build more clientle. He is taking insurance cases now as well.
12-28-2006, 02:12 AM
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Thats what the painter and I did for the base color. I agree about the primer but he wanted it to be at least 4 mils thick before basecoat as the cervinis urethane parts was what he sts "needed alot of prep work and sanding as the casts the parts are made from left the part in rough condition" Now granted the painter is a friend and he had 30 yrs exp under his belt and maybe he went a little over board as I wanted perfection. Maybe he just wanted something to represent his work as he just bought his own shop and needs to build more clientle. He is taking insurance cases now as well.
12-28-2006, 10:00 AM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
I saw where he did his car and it looked real nice like it came from factory that way, also he's retired military and i'm military and his son is military, so that's where i'm getting it for 400 bucks. also i had stripes done years ago for 250 bucks and it looked awesome and everyone complimented it.
But this guy painted my spoiler and CAI and did a real good job on it. and if he did do a crappy job, he won't get paid till it's right.
But this guy painted my spoiler and CAI and did a real good job on it. and if he did do a crappy job, he won't get paid till it's right.
12-28-2006, 12:10 PM
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Go for it, given the loyalty you speak of here I would tell him that you appreciate him doing this for such a reasonable price and if it runs a bit higher to get it done properly, that you are happy to pay the additional amount required.
You really don't want him to rush or feel he is making nothing on the effort or possibly losing money on it. You're about a grand too low on the price so if he finishes up and says it took longer and/or the materialsran more than he figured, that $600 would make it right, just be thrilled that yougot the job done for about half price. JMHO
You really don't want him to rush or feel he is making nothing on the effort or possibly losing money on it. You're about a grand too low on the price so if he finishes up and says it took longer and/or the materialsran more than he figured, that $600 would make it right, just be thrilled that yougot the job done for about half price. JMHO
12-28-2006, 12:41 PM
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RE: Painted stripes - over paint?
ORIGINAL: fairlane292
Go for it, given the loyalty you speak of here I would tell him that you appreciate him doing this for such a reasonable price and if it runs a bit higher to get it done properly, that you are happy to pay the additional amount required.
You really don't want him to rush or feel he is making nothing on the effort or possibly losing money on it. You're about a grand too low on the price so if he finishes up and says it took longer and/or the materials ran more than he figured, that $600 would make it right, just be thrilled that you got the job done for about half price. JMHO
Go for it, given the loyalty you speak of here I would tell him that you appreciate him doing this for such a reasonable price and if it runs a bit higher to get it done properly, that you are happy to pay the additional amount required.
You really don't want him to rush or feel he is making nothing on the effort or possibly losing money on it. You're about a grand too low on the price so if he finishes up and says it took longer and/or the materials ran more than he figured, that $600 would make it right, just be thrilled that you got the job done for about half price. JMHO