*UPDATED * I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
01-15-2008, 07:53 AM
#21
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,401
RE: I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
All we are talking about here is essentially throttle response. More motor for less pedal. I don't know what level of control the tuners have over the throttle position versus throttle body response, but it's easy to make a car feel different to the touch without making it produce more power, especially at the low end.
Ultimately, the Max HP across these tunes cannot differ that much. The tuners have limitations regarding fuel and spark, once it's optimim, that's it. beyond that it about making the car FEEL different, that's all.
The seat-of-the-pants performance monitor is the easiest one to fool. Rob the motor of a little sparkle at the bottom end and bang, it feels like a race car at the top! You know what I mean?
You got to realise that nothing is free in this world. Sure, you can liberate a few horses with just a tune alone, more again with CAI & Tune, but each time you step it up there is a limit unless you risk the motor with too much spark/not enough fuel.
To make a ride feel torquey the tuner will retard the spark at the low end. To make it rip at the top he will add a few degrees and play with fuel on the dyno, it's not rocket science.
01-15-2008, 01:10 PM
#22
RE: I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
ORIGINAL: marcuskeeler
[align=left]All we are talking about here is essentially throttle response. More motor for less pedal. I don't know what level of control the tuners have over the throttle position versus throttle body response, but it's easy to make a car feel different to the touch without making it produce more power, especially at the low end. [/align][align=left][/align]Ultimately, the Max HP across these tunes cannot differ that much.
The tuners have limitations regarding fuel and spark, once it's optimim, that's it. beyond that it about making the car FEEL different, that's all.
The seat-of-the-pants performance monitor is the easiest one to fool. Rob the motor of a little sparkle at the bottom end and bang, it feels like a race car at the top! You know what I mean?
You got to realise that nothing is free in this world. Sure, you can liberate a few horses with just a tune alone, more again with CAI & Tune, but each time you step it up there is a limit unless you risk the motor with too much spark/not enough fuel.
To make a ride feel torquey the tuner will retard the spark at the low end. To make it rip at the top he will add a few degrees and play with fuel on the dyno, it's not rocket science.
[align=left]All we are talking about here is essentially throttle response. More motor for less pedal. I don't know what level of control the tuners have over the throttle position versus throttle body response, but it's easy to make a car feel different to the touch without making it produce more power, especially at the low end. [/align][align=left][/align]Ultimately, the Max HP across these tunes cannot differ that much.
The tuners have limitations regarding fuel and spark, once it's optimim, that's it. beyond that it about making the car FEEL different, that's all.
The seat-of-the-pants performance monitor is the easiest one to fool. Rob the motor of a little sparkle at the bottom end and bang, it feels like a race car at the top! You know what I mean?
You got to realise that nothing is free in this world. Sure, you can liberate a few horses with just a tune alone, more again with CAI & Tune, but each time you step it up there is a limit unless you risk the motor with too much spark/not enough fuel.
To make a ride feel torquey the tuner will retard the spark at the low end. To make it rip at the top he will add a few degrees and play with fuel on the dyno, it's not rocket science.
01-16-2008, 02:50 AM
#25
4th Gear Member
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nutley NJ
Posts: 1,207
RE: I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
ORIGINAL: marcuskeeler
[align=left]All we are talking about here is essentially throttle response. More motor for less pedal. I don't know what level of control the tuners have over the throttle position versus throttle body response, but it's easy to make a car feel different to the touch without making it produce more power, especially at the low end. [/align][align=left][/align]Ultimately, the Max HP across these tunes cannot differ that much.
The tuners have limitations regarding fuel and spark, once it's optimim, that's it. beyond that it about making the car FEEL different, that's all.
The seat-of-the-pants performance monitor is the easiest one to fool. Rob the motor of a little sparkle at the bottom end and bang, it feels like a race car at the top! You know what I mean?
You got to realise that nothing is free in this world. Sure, you can liberate a few horses with just a tune alone, more again with CAI & Tune, but each time you step it up there is a limit unless you risk the motor with too much spark/not enough fuel.
To make a ride feel torquey the tuner will retard the spark at the low end. To make it rip at the top he will add a few degrees and play with fuel on the dyno, it's not rocket science.
[align=left]All we are talking about here is essentially throttle response. More motor for less pedal. I don't know what level of control the tuners have over the throttle position versus throttle body response, but it's easy to make a car feel different to the touch without making it produce more power, especially at the low end. [/align][align=left][/align]Ultimately, the Max HP across these tunes cannot differ that much.
The tuners have limitations regarding fuel and spark, once it's optimim, that's it. beyond that it about making the car FEEL different, that's all.
The seat-of-the-pants performance monitor is the easiest one to fool. Rob the motor of a little sparkle at the bottom end and bang, it feels like a race car at the top! You know what I mean?
You got to realise that nothing is free in this world. Sure, you can liberate a few horses with just a tune alone, more again with CAI & Tune, but each time you step it up there is a limit unless you risk the motor with too much spark/not enough fuel.
To make a ride feel torquey the tuner will retard the spark at the low end. To make it rip at the top he will add a few degrees and play with fuel on the dyno, it's not rocket science.
01-16-2008, 02:56 AM
#26
RE: I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
I dont think its sad....its not like he is selling them saying they make more HP....there are designed the way they are for different applications....you can easily tell the differences between all 3 types IMO and I love to switch them up every once and a while for a change....yes driving a car with a CAI/tune can get boring if you drive it everyday.....so buy changing the tune from race to torq gives me a different smile every so often
01-16-2008, 03:22 PM
#28
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: N/A
Posts: 377
RE: I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!
I recently picked up my intake and tunes from brenspeed, but after reading this forum i had to go over to b a m a and pick up one of these race tunes. God I cant wait to get it loaded up. 
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