Newer Mach 1's
03-25-2008, 10:56 AM
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RE: Newer Mach 1's
ORIGINAL: StickShifty
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
03-25-2008, 11:57 AM
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RE: Newer Mach 1's
ORIGINAL: StickShifty
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
..............Yeah that wasn't funny at all[&o]
03-25-2008, 12:20 PM
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RE: Newer Mach 1's
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
Totally Stock down to tires a mach 1 weighsless and puts out ~30 more hp and torque.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
ORIGINAL: StickShifty
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
03-25-2008, 03:12 PM
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RE: Newer Mach 1's
ORIGINAL: Furinox
How do you figure 30 more hp? a s197 gt is rated 300hp, a mach 1 is rated 305 hp. I have a mach and love it, but the hp is not that much different. The mach was probably slightly under rated but not much. With weld in mufflers and a k&n drop in my car put down 293/301
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
Totally Stock down to tires a mach 1 weighsless and puts out ~30 more hp and torque.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
ORIGINAL: StickShifty
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
03-25-2008, 03:36 PM
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RE: Newer Mach 1's
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
Were you the guy who told me I'd see no gains from an SLP loudmouth cat-back? And yes, mach's are that underrated. Look at dyno sheets, people who know the cars estimates and they all say it's between 325-335bhp and 345-360btorque. I didn't make those numbers up, people who ran tests on these cars did.Yes theHPdifferent is that muchbetween the 2. Mufflers don't make that much of a difference in the hp departmentunless they're straight-thru (magnaflow, SLP loudmouths, etc.). K&N drop-ins I've heard don't dyno more than 2-4rwhp gains tops. So assuming you have chambered mufflers and a K&N, stock you would probably put down 286-290rwhpand the average manual S197 GT with 15% drivetrain loss puts down 255rwhp. See the difference? And to convert yourhp #'s assuming your a manual transmission car 286/85%(15% drivetrain loss) X's 100=335.XXXbhp. Thanks for giving me numbers to prove my point
ORIGINAL: Furinox
How do you figure 30 more hp? a s197 gt is rated 300hp, a mach 1 is rated 305 hp. I have a mach and love it, but the hp is not that much different. The mach was probably slightly under rated but not much. With weld in mufflers and a k&n drop in my car put down 293/301
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
Totally Stock down to tires a mach 1 weighsless and puts out ~30 more hp and torque.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.
ORIGINAL: StickShifty
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
they should edge us out by a bit. CAI/TUNE we would then have a slight edge on them.
Unless this cai/tune nets you more than 30rwhp, I think a cai/tune will make it a drivers race advantage mach 1. Check the 1/4 times and you'll understand. Average (manual transmission times)Mach 1 runs 13.3's-13.4's. Average S197 GT runs 13.7's-13.8's. If people think otherwise from personal experience, they have either driven againstreally bad/really good drivers in the other car or they are a reallygood/really bad driver.