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Old 06-17-2010, 09:04 PM
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the fact is for people who aren't ever going to modify their car can pick up a 2011 v6 and have comparable performance to a 2010 v8. Its cheaper and gets better gas mileage.

If you are going to modify, there is no replacement for displacement.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:14 PM
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What kills me is how long ago was it that a 300 and 400 hp car would of cost you over a 100k and now you can get one from the mid 20's to the mid 30's. I love this country.
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by m0nkeydump
Wow, reading comprehension isn't a strong suit, huh? The 2.73 gear ratio is, essentially, for the purpose of achieving the very marketable accomplishment of 31 highway MPG. I hope you don't believe that solely because of the V6's 6-speed, the GT's advantage in gearing is negated.

What's the point of comparing two cars when one has more horsepower, more torque, and more aggressive gears? Is anyone surprised at all that the GT won? All I'm saying is they should have put 3.31 gears in the V6, or else there is really no point to the comparison.
Lol, I love a mild insult in an otherwise civil conversation.

The 6 speed, regardless of its rear gear, is going to be geared better (in the trans its self) than a 5 speed. I'm actually making the case that the V6 with a 6 speed and the 2.73 is probably better geared than a GT with a 5 speed with the stock 3.31's. As a random comparison, most 350Z's come with a 3.5x rear gear and a 6 speed. 1st gear ends I think before 30 mph. It's really short. A mustang with a 3.55 can probably get close to 40.

The second paragraph is just hilarious and I can't think of a response.

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Old 06-18-2010, 01:13 AM
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sorry. it was pre-Lakers game 7. I'm civil now.
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:13 AM
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I don't give a rat's ***...a v6 mustang will never sound better than a gt's v8....trust me I've owned both and modded both
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Originally Posted by m0nkeydump
sorry. it was pre-Lakers game 7. I'm civil now.
lol, np.
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I don't give a rat's ***...a v6 mustang will never sound better than a gt's v8....trust me I've owned both and modded both
The V6 and GT are for two completely different buyers. I doubt most people cross shop GT's and V6's. I think the current V6 is a huge achievement for Ford (the rest of the world already made fabulous V6's like Honda/Nissan) and for the price, it just can't be beat.
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by m0nkeydump
Wow, reading comprehension isn't a strong suit, huh? The 2.73 gear ratio is, essentially, for the purpose of achieving the very marketable accomplishment of 31 highway MPG. I hope you don't believe that solely because of the V6's 6-speed, the GT's advantage in gearing is negated.

What's the point of comparing two cars when one has more horsepower, more torque, and more aggressive gears? Is anyone surprised at all that the GT won? All I'm saying is they should have put 3.31 gears in the V6, or else there is really no point to the comparison.
If you compare the FINAL DRIVE ratio of these two vehicles, the story is a little different, and both replica and monkeydump are correct... The final drive of the GT is 12.48 compared to 9.99 of the V6. So that gives the GT an advantage off the line. However, after that, second gear is IDENTICAL between the cars, and 3rd and on give the advantage to the V6. Of course this assumes these are both manual trans cars, and from the videos it looked like they were both automatics, which would change everything here.

That being said, the peak torque (horsepower if you want a more familiar term) has little to do with how fast a car can accellerate. It is all about the area under the torque curve, specifically between the RPMs you drive the car in -- more commonly referred to as the power band. The V6 has a smaller overall power band. However, the V6 can rev higher, which gets it closer. Remember, horsepower is a direct function of torque and is derived from the torque curve.

If all other things were equal, the 4.6 3v V8 would beat the 3.7 V6 every time.

BTW, the reason this is relevant is because there are still 2010 GTs in stock at the dealerships, and the 2011's are already available as well, which means you can buy either one brand new. When you start to talk used cars, you could argue any comparison invalid, but that is not the point here. After all, if you really wanted to make a point, you could say that ALMOST every V8 mustang made from 1964 to 2004 could be beat by the 2011 V6 (within reason of course, the special vehicles with big blocks or superchargers would win of course.) You see, it is pointless to compare any vehicle more than a couple years apart because technology and philosphy changes render the comparison moot. The vehicles in this video represent technology that is years apart, so the only reason the comparison is even remotely valid is because they can both be purchased brand new from a dealer RIGHT NOW.

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Old 06-19-2010, 09:38 AM
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According to Motor Trend:
When both cars have the 3.31:1 gears....
-----> 2011 V6 - 2010 GT
0 - 60 -- 5.1 ------ 5.2
1/4 ---- 13.7 ------ 13.7

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Old 06-19-2010, 07:40 PM
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Not that it is proof or anything, but I think since the v6 was tuned by ford for mileage there should be some more capable from the motor.

I've had my 11 v6 for about a month and I love it. I doubt I would track it often. I might spend a few grand upgrading suspension and stability. Its a good looking, faster than most, practical daily driver.
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Originally Posted by LostBoyz
Not that it is proof or anything, but I think since the v6 was tuned by ford for mileage there should be some more capable from the motor.

I've had my 11 v6 for about a month and I love it. I doubt I would track it often. I might spend a few grand upgrading suspension and stability. Its a good looking, faster than most, practical daily driver.
Salient well quoted point my friend I believe that a stock 2010 gt with 5-speed manual and 3.31 gears against a stock 2011 v6 with 6-speed manual and 3.31 gears would be a dead even race or what you gearheads would call a drivers race. Now say you pit a 2010 track pack gt 5mt 3.31 against a 2011 pp 6mt 3.31 again both cars have the same size pirelli tires 255/40/19's so I say that's a wash. Regardless to all of this I still want to see a 2011 v6 6mt with a real set of gears 3.73/4.11 some sticky tires opened up exhaust&intake/tune I say that car will see the high 12's maybe even mid 12's I won't be surprised either if a geared&prepped FI or 100+shot sprayed 2011 v6 hits 11's easily with low 12s stock other than the fi completely possible. FWIW I've owned all kinds of cars and most recently went from a 04 6mt touring 350z to my 2011 6mt I can say power wise the 11 feels about the same with both cars not really waking up until you hit 3k+ but the 11 feels way more refined engine nvh ride quality wise than my z which was not lowered and rode on stock infiniti 19s. Also I couldn't get better than 22mpg out of my z babying it where I've already hit over 25+mpg on my first tank with my 11 which is very cool not to mention the insurance is actually cheaper on the 11 by about $6 a month
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