@ dealer NOW to buy 4 2010
10-09-2010, 09:43 PM
#22
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My ONLY issue with the car..it's not my color. I love the Grabber Blue and White or Black. This car is Silver which is my least favorite. Pickings are slim. But the color is a big deal and I just don't think I would be 100% happy with the car in Silver.
10-09-2010, 09:48 PM
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We are talking 2010 GT to 2011 GT. Nobody was mentioning 2011 V6. Personally for my money.... I would still buy a V8 over a V6. For me at least, the stang is my week-end play toy so I could care less about the gas mileage because my 2010 got pretty good mileage and so does the 2011 GT.
If my option were a well optioned 2010 GT vs a 2011 GT Deluxe.... I'm still taking the 2010. In fact I am looking at a 2010 GT Vert Prem for $29K that MSRP was $42k.
As I already stated...this is my opinion. Others will disagree
If my option were a well optioned 2010 GT vs a 2011 GT Deluxe.... I'm still taking the 2010. In fact I am looking at a 2010 GT Vert Prem for $29K that MSRP was $42k.
As I already stated...this is my opinion. Others will disagree
10-09-2010, 09:49 PM
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Don't forget the 3% holdback that the dealer gets, which is figured on the retail sticker before freight. If your sticker is $30k then there is an additional $900.00 in play money for the dealer. Also when I buy a new car I always go to the library and check the current issue of Automotive News which is a weekly dealer publication and check for the latest dealer incentives. You might be surprised what is left on the table. Always buy and negotiate with as much knowledge as possible. Ford employees A plan is figured on invoice less the holdback and national advertising. If you can get close to this then you have a good deal.
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10-09-2010, 10:06 PM
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I really wanted to get the 2012 Boss... but I was informed no x-plan on the Boss
10-09-2010, 10:48 PM
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Ok... I made it out of the dealer and back home!! LOL...minus the 2010..
They didn't go down any further on the 2010, and I didn't imagine they would , since it was already under invoice and under x plan... they obviously deducted some of the hold back $.
The came back with $4K on the trade, lol.... Online Edmunds, etc had trade at 7 and change. I owe 8 and change on the car...so I would've been upside down almost $5K.. I said "no can't do it, thanks for your time", and walked out, as planned, not upset, but figuring they might call me during the week... I was 20 feet from my car and they called me back in, lol...They offered me $1K more for my car, so $5K... I said no, thanks.. I was willing and AM willing to be $2K upside down to roll into the new car, so figured if they call me on the cell , I would say "we're $4K upside down, let's meet 1/2 way, you eat $2K and I'll eat the other $2K".
The car drove great, obviously not noticebly faster than my 2004. It did shift smooth and drove awsome.. That plain clothe interior, at the moment looked great...
So in summary, I was getting the 2011 for the (whatever I listed on the 1st post) and $5K for my car after they added the extra $1K. They have my #, in case they decide to call back..
In MY opinion, the 2010 is not going to another $1K ++ down.. Will they be able to squeeze another $1K for my car out of somewhere ?? Who knows..
I ended up at the Car Max where they had the 2010 with 3K miles used.. I figured since car max is a tad pricey, they would give me more for my car, and it might be closer... I was right, they were giving me $6K for my car, so I was only upside down on the negative equity $2.5K... fair.. BUT something happened... I saw a Lexus IS20, 6 spd manual.. I sat in it and the inside was OBVIOUSLY soooo different than the 2010 plain clothe interior, I asked to test drive it, lol... I was this close <> to buying the Lexus... They swapped my insurance to the Lexus, switched the plates, I got approved by the bank... then, then after 4 hours, they said I couldn't transfer my tag for xyz reason... and needed to pay for a new plate... I said, "thank you", called my insurance, put it back on my Mustang, and left, lol...
So still with ole trusty which I love, my 2004
... LOL...
They didn't go down any further on the 2010, and I didn't imagine they would , since it was already under invoice and under x plan... they obviously deducted some of the hold back $.
The came back with $4K on the trade, lol.... Online Edmunds, etc had trade at 7 and change. I owe 8 and change on the car...so I would've been upside down almost $5K.. I said "no can't do it, thanks for your time", and walked out, as planned, not upset, but figuring they might call me during the week... I was 20 feet from my car and they called me back in, lol...They offered me $1K more for my car, so $5K... I said no, thanks.. I was willing and AM willing to be $2K upside down to roll into the new car, so figured if they call me on the cell , I would say "we're $4K upside down, let's meet 1/2 way, you eat $2K and I'll eat the other $2K".
The car drove great, obviously not noticebly faster than my 2004. It did shift smooth and drove awsome.. That plain clothe interior, at the moment looked great...
So in summary, I was getting the 2011 for the (whatever I listed on the 1st post) and $5K for my car after they added the extra $1K. They have my #, in case they decide to call back..
In MY opinion, the 2010 is not going to another $1K ++ down.. Will they be able to squeeze another $1K for my car out of somewhere ?? Who knows..
I ended up at the Car Max where they had the 2010 with 3K miles used.. I figured since car max is a tad pricey, they would give me more for my car, and it might be closer... I was right, they were giving me $6K for my car, so I was only upside down on the negative equity $2.5K... fair.. BUT something happened... I saw a Lexus IS20, 6 spd manual.. I sat in it and the inside was OBVIOUSLY soooo different than the 2010 plain clothe interior, I asked to test drive it, lol... I was this close <> to buying the Lexus... They swapped my insurance to the Lexus, switched the plates, I got approved by the bank... then, then after 4 hours, they said I couldn't transfer my tag for xyz reason... and needed to pay for a new plate... I said, "thank you", called my insurance, put it back on my Mustang, and left, lol...
So still with ole trusty which I love, my 2004
... LOL...
10-09-2010, 11:12 PM
#27
For one, the torque curves are massively different. The 4.6L 3V has so much more area under its torque curve than the '11 V6 could ever dream of. The 4.6 3V has that torque where it counts: in the lower RPM bandwidth. The 3.7L V6 must rev much higher to reach the meat of its HP bandwidth.
The 4.6 3V can me modded like crazy to out-power the '11 C5.0 Coyote. The Coyote is still lacking in many aftermarket options, though they are slowly starting to trickle in over the months.
10-09-2010, 11:21 PM
#28
Ok... I made it out of the dealer and back home!! LOL...minus the 2010..
They didn't go down any further on the 2010, and I didn't imagine they would , since it was already under invoice and under x plan... they obviously deducted some of the hold back $.
The came back with $4K on the trade, lol.... Online Edmunds, etc had trade at 7 and change. I owe 8 and change on the car...so I would've been upside down almost $5K.. I said "no can't do it, thanks for your time", and walked out, as planned, not upset, but figuring they might call me during the week... I was 20 feet from my car and they called me back in, lol...They offered me $1K more for my car, so $5K... I said no, thanks.. I was willing and AM willing to be $2K upside down to roll into the new car, so figured if they call me on the cell , I would say "we're $4K upside down, let's meet 1/2 way, you eat $2K and I'll eat the other $2K".
The car drove great, obviously not noticebly faster than my 2004. It did shift smooth and drove awsome.. That plain clothe interior, at the moment looked great...
So in summary, I was getting the 2011 for the (whatever I listed on the 1st post) and $5K for my car after they added the extra $1K. They have my #, in case they decide to call back..
In MY opinion, the 2010 is not going to another $1K ++ down.. Will they be able to squeeze another $1K for my car out of somewhere ?? Who knows..
I ended up at the Car Max where they had the 2010 with 3K miles used.. I figured since car max is a tad pricey, they would give me more for my car, and it might be closer... I was right, they were giving me $6K for my car, so I was only upside down on the negative equity $2.5K... fair.. BUT something happened... I saw a Lexus IS20, 6 spd manual.. I sat in it and the inside was OBVIOUSLY soooo different than the 2010 plain clothe interior, I asked to test drive it, lol... I was this close <> to buying the Lexus... They swapped my insurance to the Lexus, switched the plates, I got approved by the bank... then, then after 4 hours, they said I couldn't transfer my tag for xyz reason... and needed to pay for a new plate... I said, "thank you", called my insurance, put it back on my Mustang, and left, lol...
So still with ole trusty which I love, my 2004 ... LOL...
They didn't go down any further on the 2010, and I didn't imagine they would , since it was already under invoice and under x plan... they obviously deducted some of the hold back $.
The came back with $4K on the trade, lol.... Online Edmunds, etc had trade at 7 and change. I owe 8 and change on the car...so I would've been upside down almost $5K.. I said "no can't do it, thanks for your time", and walked out, as planned, not upset, but figuring they might call me during the week... I was 20 feet from my car and they called me back in, lol...They offered me $1K more for my car, so $5K... I said no, thanks.. I was willing and AM willing to be $2K upside down to roll into the new car, so figured if they call me on the cell , I would say "we're $4K upside down, let's meet 1/2 way, you eat $2K and I'll eat the other $2K".
The car drove great, obviously not noticebly faster than my 2004. It did shift smooth and drove awsome.. That plain clothe interior, at the moment looked great...
So in summary, I was getting the 2011 for the (whatever I listed on the 1st post) and $5K for my car after they added the extra $1K. They have my #, in case they decide to call back..
In MY opinion, the 2010 is not going to another $1K ++ down.. Will they be able to squeeze another $1K for my car out of somewhere ?? Who knows..
I ended up at the Car Max where they had the 2010 with 3K miles used.. I figured since car max is a tad pricey, they would give me more for my car, and it might be closer... I was right, they were giving me $6K for my car, so I was only upside down on the negative equity $2.5K... fair.. BUT something happened... I saw a Lexus IS20, 6 spd manual.. I sat in it and the inside was OBVIOUSLY soooo different than the 2010 plain clothe interior, I asked to test drive it, lol... I was this close <> to buying the Lexus... They swapped my insurance to the Lexus, switched the plates, I got approved by the bank... then, then after 4 hours, they said I couldn't transfer my tag for xyz reason... and needed to pay for a new plate... I said, "thank you", called my insurance, put it back on my Mustang, and left, lol...
So still with ole trusty which I love, my 2004
... LOL...If many more car buyer were as aggressive as you are, we would see much better incentives on all cars, and even on the newer models. Come time for me to buy a new car, I plan to be extremely aggressive, even to the point that if I am not satisfied with all the dealerships in my own town, I will go out of town and start shopping an their dealerships until I find one that is willing to deal.
10-09-2010, 11:47 PM
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This is the truth. Even though the '11 V6 makes 305 crank BHP and the '10 4.6L makes 315 crank BHP, that says absolutely nothing. The proof is all in the torque curves.
For one, the torque curves are massively different. The 4.6L 3V has so much more area under its torque curve than the '11 V6 could ever dream of. The 4.6 3V has that torque where it counts: in the lower RPM bandwidth. The 3.7L V6 must rev much higher to reach the meat of its HP bandwidth.
The 4.6 3V can me modded like crazy to out-power the '11 C5.0 Coyote. The Coyote is still lacking in many aftermarket options, though they are slowly starting to trickle in over the months.
For one, the torque curves are massively different. The 4.6L 3V has so much more area under its torque curve than the '11 V6 could ever dream of. The 4.6 3V has that torque where it counts: in the lower RPM bandwidth. The 3.7L V6 must rev much higher to reach the meat of its HP bandwidth.
The 4.6 3V can me modded like crazy to out-power the '11 C5.0 Coyote. The Coyote is still lacking in many aftermarket options, though they are slowly starting to trickle in over the months.
10-10-2010, 12:15 AM
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my post earlier was in reference to bang for the buck.
$24k for a year old model with 315 HP
or
$27-28K for a 400+ HP same year model car with factory warranty. it's a no brainer IMO. Get the 2011.
plus, you are saying the 2010 model you were looking out is the base GT. @ $24k and 1 yr old, that is pure crazy.
I still think the 2005-2010 cars are amazing. but in terms of bang for the buck, you are getting more value for your dollar to pick up a 2011 for just a little bit more money.
good luck with whatever you get. Wish my 09 had that 6 speed of the 2010+ cars.
$24k for a year old model with 315 HP
or
$27-28K for a 400+ HP same year model car with factory warranty. it's a no brainer IMO. Get the 2011.
plus, you are saying the 2010 model you were looking out is the base GT. @ $24k and 1 yr old, that is pure crazy.
I still think the 2005-2010 cars are amazing. but in terms of bang for the buck, you are getting more value for your dollar to pick up a 2011 for just a little bit more money.
good luck with whatever you get. Wish my 09 had that 6 speed of the 2010+ cars.