Rethinking Mustang again
#22
You just cannot replicate the torque of a v8 unless you boost it. the 05-09 GT's still have 40 more ft lbs of torque than the new 6'ers.
But those Genesis coupes look really good and different, they stand out. I'd love to drive one. Glad they're RWD rather than front like their Tiburons. I've seen people getting a new 5.0 for around $32-33k. . . you know the 5.0 will wax the hyundai with 100 more ft lbs torque
Last edited by Jas5; 02-27-2012 at 10:48 AM.
#23
I wouldn't worry about 1 story of a driveshaft burning up. If you come on the forum and see post after post about something then I would be concerned.
I had to look up what a Genesis is. It looks like a knock-off of a G35. Let's compare a couple of quick specs.
2012 Genesis V6 3.8 (Manual) @~$34k
HP: 348@6400
Torque: 295@5300
Gears: 3.72
MPG: 18/27
2012 Mustang V6 3.7 (Manual) @~$25k
HP: 305@6500
Torque: 280@4250
Gears: 3.31
MPG: 19/29
Add $5000 for a Procharger and bump the HP up to 475 and you're still ~$4k less than the Genesis. That leaves room to pay for the install and buy wheels or whatever. You might even be able to get the V6 Mustang up to the Genesis numbers with just a CAI and tune for less than $1k. The Genesis is also about 400 lbs heavier than the Mustang. I'm not an expert on the V6 motor but you gotta figure out what you want and look at all the variables. Heck, for $34k you're in the Mustang GT price range. Plus the two cars look entirely different in my opinion.
I had to look up what a Genesis is. It looks like a knock-off of a G35. Let's compare a couple of quick specs.
2012 Genesis V6 3.8 (Manual) @~$34k
HP: 348@6400
Torque: 295@5300
Gears: 3.72
MPG: 18/27
2012 Mustang V6 3.7 (Manual) @~$25k
HP: 305@6500
Torque: 280@4250
Gears: 3.31
MPG: 19/29
Add $5000 for a Procharger and bump the HP up to 475 and you're still ~$4k less than the Genesis. That leaves room to pay for the install and buy wheels or whatever. You might even be able to get the V6 Mustang up to the Genesis numbers with just a CAI and tune for less than $1k. The Genesis is also about 400 lbs heavier than the Mustang. I'm not an expert on the V6 motor but you gotta figure out what you want and look at all the variables. Heck, for $34k you're in the Mustang GT price range. Plus the two cars look entirely different in my opinion.
HP: 274@6000
TQ: 275@2000
Gears: 3.72
MPG: 20/31
Note the max torque at only 2k rpms! The car only weighs about 3362 too and the beauty of the turbo is how easy it is to mod. With my 2010 a reflash netted about 30hp/60tq so I'm guessing a flash on the new motor should yield at least 300/300 or so and that's before adding CAI, exhaust, downpipes, ect. that would all compound the gains. btw, the V6 Genesis is not 400 lbs heavier than the Mustang as a base model is only about 3483 so its actually a little lighter. I'm still waiting for more info on the new 8 speed with paddle shifters. Although it will add a little weight and add a grand to the price, its supposed to actually add about 1mpg, but not sure if it will be any faster than the manual yet.
But you do have a point about getting the stang 6 and adding a charger. That would make for a screamer, but probably not very realistic for me to come up with an extra 5k or so all at once. I would probably be more likely to go the bolt-on route adding something every 6 months or so. I don't know if its legit, but the guys over at American Muscle supposedly took a base V6 Mustang and got a 4.3 in 0-60 with just headers, long tubes, axle back, CAI, tune, aluminum drive shaft, lighter wheels and some suspension upgrades. I don't know how that is possible (1/2 sec. faster than a new GT) with a good 50-60 less hp at least?
#24
Yeah I also don't quite understand why someone would buy a v6 only to dump money into it to try and make it faster when they could have bought a v8 (maybe get one that's 1-2 years older so its similar price point), and having a much higher starting baseline. No offense to guys who mod their 6'ers, I had the base SOHC 3000GT as a starting car, with only 161hp and did intake/exhaust and was slower than hell
You just cannot replicate the torque of a v8 unless you boost it. the 05-09 GT's still have 40 more ft lbs of torque than the new 6'ers.
But those Genesis coupes look really good and different, they stand out. I'd love to drive one. Glad they're RWD rather than front like their Tiburons. I've seen people getting a new 5.0 for around $32-33k. . . you know the 5.0 will wax the hyundai with 100 more ft lbs torque
You just cannot replicate the torque of a v8 unless you boost it. the 05-09 GT's still have 40 more ft lbs of torque than the new 6'ers.
But those Genesis coupes look really good and different, they stand out. I'd love to drive one. Glad they're RWD rather than front like their Tiburons. I've seen people getting a new 5.0 for around $32-33k. . . you know the 5.0 will wax the hyundai with 100 more ft lbs torque
However, if MrBobcat is looking at a $34k MSRP Genesis, I'd have to say adios Hyundai and hello 5.0! Talk about a power bump from a Genesis to a GT, for me, it's a no-brainer.
Mrbobcat, you'd really pay a grand for a feature that will net you 1mpg more than the base automatic tranny? You'll never recoop your 1 grand even at $5/gallon unless your plan is to own the car for close to a decade...
#25
I'm still awaiting the interview that I believe Kona_Blue or someone with a similar handle mentioned, that they had done with this guy who grenaded his DS.
That 1 video did more to give the V6's a bad name than all the trashtalk from GT nut-swingers. (IE: v8 or go homers... Cap on the H)
#26
Jas, you don't take into account people who are either lucky enough to be gifted a car (like myself), who want something different (yes, they exist out there), or want a new car with a warranty and they know that they can't afford the GT payments and bump in insurance costs (especially under the age of 25).
However, if MrBobcat is looking at a $34k MSRP Genesis, I'd have to say adios Hyundai and hello 5.0! Talk about a power bump from a Genesis to a GT, for me, it's a no-brainer.
Mrbobcat, you'd really pay a grand for a feature that will net you 1mpg more than the base automatic tranny? You'll never recoop your 1 grand even at $5/gallon unless your plan is to own the car for close to a decade...
However, if MrBobcat is looking at a $34k MSRP Genesis, I'd have to say adios Hyundai and hello 5.0! Talk about a power bump from a Genesis to a GT, for me, it's a no-brainer.
Mrbobcat, you'd really pay a grand for a feature that will net you 1mpg more than the base automatic tranny? You'll never recoop your 1 grand even at $5/gallon unless your plan is to own the car for close to a decade...
#27
In addition - that guy is the one who removed the speed limiter on his car, ran it up to 135+ (on what appeared to be regular streets) - so was beyond the design tolerance for the driveshaft, and probably for his tires as well. So the problem was caused by him defeating the limits that Ford put on his car.
How often do you plan to drive over 135mph?
How often do you plan to drive over 135mph?
#28
I wouldn't worry about 1 story of a driveshaft burning up. If you come on the forum and see post after post about something then I would be concerned.
I had to look up what a Genesis is. It looks like a knock-off of a G35. Let's compare a couple of quick specs.
2012 Genesis V6 3.8 (Manual) @~$34k
HP: 348@6400
Torque: 295@5300
Gears: 3.72
MPG: 18/27
2012 Mustang V6 3.7 (Manual) @~$25k
HP: 305@6500
Torque: 280@4250
Gears: 3.31
MPG: 19/29
Add $5000 for a Procharger and bump the HP up to 475 and you're still ~$4k less than the Genesis. That leaves room to pay for the install and buy wheels or whatever. You might even be able to get the V6 Mustang up to the Genesis numbers with just a CAI and tune for less than $1k. The Genesis is also about 400 lbs heavier than the Mustang. I'm not an expert on the V6 motor but you gotta figure out what you want and look at all the variables. Heck, for $34k you're in the Mustang GT price range. Plus the two cars look entirely different in my opinion.
I had to look up what a Genesis is. It looks like a knock-off of a G35. Let's compare a couple of quick specs.
2012 Genesis V6 3.8 (Manual) @~$34k
HP: 348@6400
Torque: 295@5300
Gears: 3.72
MPG: 18/27
2012 Mustang V6 3.7 (Manual) @~$25k
HP: 305@6500
Torque: 280@4250
Gears: 3.31
MPG: 19/29
Add $5000 for a Procharger and bump the HP up to 475 and you're still ~$4k less than the Genesis. That leaves room to pay for the install and buy wheels or whatever. You might even be able to get the V6 Mustang up to the Genesis numbers with just a CAI and tune for less than $1k. The Genesis is also about 400 lbs heavier than the Mustang. I'm not an expert on the V6 motor but you gotta figure out what you want and look at all the variables. Heck, for $34k you're in the Mustang GT price range. Plus the two cars look entirely different in my opinion.
You get a V6 6MT R-spec Genesis Coupe for under 30k (29 or 28k i believe). the 34k is for the top of the line model equivalent to the Premium mustang. while still a bit more than the V6 stang the model they have lined up for it is the 2.0T with 274 HP/275 ft-lb.
Also the Genesis is lighter across the board than the stang, it does NOT weigh 400 lb more than the mustang (that would be 3900 LB !). In reality it weighs in at about 200 lb LESS than the Mustang at 3294 lb.
i'm all for being mustang biased on a mustang site, but there is no need to be completely off on a competitor's specs.
#29
while I wouldn't personally drive a hyaundai, they've come leaps and bounds ,and the new turbo model putting out 275/275 unmodded is just begging for more power. I believe they use a variation of the evo block that can handle a good amount of abuse, but I'm not sure about the internals or how much power it can really handle.
my buddies evo 9 makes 385whp on the stock turbo, stock block, 91 oct tune with nothing but bolt ons. his car is insanely fast.
my buddies evo 9 makes 385whp on the stock turbo, stock block, 91 oct tune with nothing but bolt ons. his car is insanely fast.
#30
Do any of you guys know if you can combine A-plan and current discounts? In my area they have 3k off on GT and 1.5k on the V6. Almost makes me want to get a base GT, but it is still 2-3 grand more than I want to spend.
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