Random small things that other cars have and Mustangs should have
#72
What about the S197 platform is hard to drive? Ride is as rough as just about any sporty coupe, and unless you're running bald pzeros in freezing weather, nothing gets too unmanageable IMO unless you're trying something stupid.
You're comparing +$40k car to a mustang. That in and of itself is a mistake.
You're comparing +$40k car to a mustang. That in and of itself is a mistake.
#73
Now, I have no problem adding these things as a package if you want them. It is your car after all.
Then go buy a Bimmer.
#74
Hey folks!
I've been reading through your suggestions for changes to be made to the Mustang. I encourage you to post your ideas to http://social.ford.com so we can all vote on them! This is a great way to get some attention for your suggestions and get them to the forefront of the Ford community.
If you have any questions, send me a PM.
Thanks!
Crystal
I've been reading through your suggestions for changes to be made to the Mustang. I encourage you to post your ideas to http://social.ford.com so we can all vote on them! This is a great way to get some attention for your suggestions and get them to the forefront of the Ford community.
If you have any questions, send me a PM.
Thanks!
Crystal
#75
Know that the earlier comparisons written up in the major magazines between the Mustang and its IRS-equipped competition (Camaro, Challenger) consistently favored the Mustang's handling. This held true up until the most recent rounds (GT and Boss vs ZL1 and 1LE) where Chevy has dialed out some of the understeer that penalized the earlier 5th generation Camaros.
It is probably possible to "refine" all of the character out of a Mustang that makes it a Mustang, if you carry it far enough. At that point, what you've got left is a borrowed name on a car without a heritage. Sort of like BMW slapping the 2002tii tag on some entirely new product that's got all of today's bells and whistles and none of the original's uniqueness.
Those who insist that endless refinement might be a good thing are missing the whole point of ponycars, musclecars, and sports cars - that a certain amount of "rawness" or "primitiveness" (to borrow from Andy) can actually be a desirable quality in a car. You like it partly because of what it ISN'T.
Norm
Last edited by Norm Peterson; 11-19-2012 at 11:23 AM.
#76
I hate having to stick my garage door opener in the cup holder because it "vibrates" while driving and I'm ocd with random noises that should not be there.
I'd also like to see the engineers use the cup holder while driving a stick, it's just not fun. Redesign the cup holders to not impede driving a stick please!
- Garage Door Opener / Homelink
- Better Cup Holders / Better Cup Holder Placement
- Memory Seats
#77
Don't take this as flame or disrespect, but the S197 chassis drives way better than a Granada or most anything with the Granada's general suspension arrangement. And that's BEFORE you start doing any suspension work or upgrades to wheels and tires.
Know that the earlier comparisons written up in the major magazines between the Mustang and its IRS-equipped competition (Camaro, Challenger) consistently favored the Mustang's handling. This held true up until the most recent rounds (GT and Boss vs ZL1 and 1LE) where Chevy has dialed out some of the understeer that penalized the earlier 5th generation Camaros.
It is probably possible to "refine" all of the character out of a Mustang that makes it a Mustang, if you carry it far enough. At that point, what you've got left is a borrowed name on a car without a heritage. Sort of like BMW slapping the 2002tii tag on some entirely new product that's got all of today's bells and whistles and none of the original's uniqueness.
Those who insist that endless refinement might be a good thing are missing the whole point of ponycars, musclecars, and sports cars - that a certain amount of "rawness" or "primitiveness" (to borrow from Andy) can actually be a desirable quality in a car. You like it partly because of what it ISN'T.
Norm
Know that the earlier comparisons written up in the major magazines between the Mustang and its IRS-equipped competition (Camaro, Challenger) consistently favored the Mustang's handling. This held true up until the most recent rounds (GT and Boss vs ZL1 and 1LE) where Chevy has dialed out some of the understeer that penalized the earlier 5th generation Camaros.
It is probably possible to "refine" all of the character out of a Mustang that makes it a Mustang, if you carry it far enough. At that point, what you've got left is a borrowed name on a car without a heritage. Sort of like BMW slapping the 2002tii tag on some entirely new product that's got all of today's bells and whistles and none of the original's uniqueness.
Those who insist that endless refinement might be a good thing are missing the whole point of ponycars, musclecars, and sports cars - that a certain amount of "rawness" or "primitiveness" (to borrow from Andy) can actually be a desirable quality in a car. You like it partly because of what it ISN'T.
Norm
#78
Uh...that's the problem, it does add to cost. Manual crank windows will be significantly cheaper than automatic windows. The motor costs more, the electrical components cost more, and when it breaks, it costs more to fix it. The same can be said for a HUD versus a traditional analog speedometer. All these extraneous things cars come with are just more parts to break and are much more expensive to fix. All the new safety features add a SIGNIFICANT amount of weight
Now, I have no problem adding these things as a package if you want them. It is your car after all.
Then go buy a Bimmer.
Now, I have no problem adding these things as a package if you want them. It is your car after all.
Then go buy a Bimmer.
#79
That was just an example to illustrate how quickly the cost of a lot of little things can add up to one big expensive thing. Just look at the price difference between a bare bones GT and one with all the amenities added that people are asking for on here. It makes a difference.
#80
And the only way I can describe how much different it is, is to quote the Harley riders' comment to those who aren't really in the know . . . "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand".
This isn't the only forum (or car model) that this specific topic has come up recently. IOW, it's a bigger issue than just within the world of Mustangs.
Norm
Last edited by Norm Peterson; 11-19-2012 at 01:01 PM.