Fort LiquordaleGT

I'm going to tackle the fuel filter, haven't done one yet, have 64k on it. I see in the manual it says at 30k, 60k etc miles..

Checking my GFs 07 Scion hers never needs replacing...

Why such the difference? Ok 4 vs V8, I understand the difference but hers literally never needs to be replaced, why?

Nuke

I've owned well over a dozen vehicles; domestics and foreign; and never had a car that NEVER needed a fuel filter cleaned or replaced.

64k on the OE filter with no issues is pretty darned good. The fuel from the stations you get gas at must be filtered better than most.

Fort LiquordaleGT

I went thru her entire manual, and and never says to replace it, in fact that car has so little maintenance it's scary. Basically at 100k you change the coolant. Her FF is located in the gas tank, which makes sense if you don't ever need to change it.. I found on some Scion forums that I am correct, you never change it and it's in the gas tank.

I'm thinking Ford has done two things:

1. The manual is written for all their vehicles whereas Toyota takes the time and writes one for each.

2. Ford is ripping us off. I"m glad I waited, I don't see any reason why her car which uses the same gas doesn't require FF change like ours.

Goldenpony

I have the same situation with my wife's Miata. It is in the tank and doesn't require replacing. I read somewhere the filter is "back flushed" every time you turn the engine off on the Miata. I'd bet it is the same with the Scion.

Boss_Hotrod

Not sure what the reason is for that but on the old hondas there was one on the firewall that we changed at roughly 100k. All the new ones have one mounted in the tank. I prefer to have one outside the tank I can change more often. The older cars also have a "sock" attached to the pump to act as a pre-filter. Those dont get changed unless you replace the pump. Guess its mostly just technology changes.

Fort LiquordaleGT

Well filter is done, I used this guys demo:

click here

I ran into two small problems. First the forward release tab was rotated just as in his demo, mine you could not see it from where I was laying it was facing more toward the floor pan of the car, even rotating it you still could not get it it with a tool so I used my thumb..

I pulled the relay for the fuel pump and let the car stall, however it was instant so I thought I was good. So I took off the rear hose then started working on the front all of sudden a huge pressurized wave of gas came flying out shooting toward the rear of the car.. WTF!

Getting it back on it super easy compared to taking it off. I did not jack the car up, you don't need to.

All in all, not super hard, once you do it you'll be an expert at it. However I did mine at 65k miles Ford is ripping us off if other cars never need to replace theirs.

I'd say do it every 60k miles... I feel no difference in performance.

**You'll need a deep socket to get one of the 10mm nuts off.. If you don't have a deep socket don't start the project. I was lucky and had a deep set.

157dB

Think a third angle.
All fuel filters need replacing. Period.
Toyota must put a filter on their vehicles with a filter
media square footage of that of a football field.
A manual that tells you that the fuel filter never needs
replacing is just wrong, Toyota.
Maybe they think the life of the vehicle is 30K so
its used up before the fuel filter gets clogged.

p.s. Ford has a filter sock on the pick-up
in the gas tank AND a high pressure fuel
filter mounted on the frame

I just changed mine for the second time.
I did not need a deep well 10mm socket.
A standard 10mm wrench works just fine.

Fort LiquordaleGT

When it comes to quality and cars I'll trust Toyota over anything else.. Ford is ripping us off, period..

HxCGuitars

Not sure how Ford's ripping us off by having us buy a $12 max filter every 30k or as you did it, 64k miles. Do you ever replace the cabin air filter or engine air filter? It's the same concept, cleaner/less clogged, the better. I don't see what the big deal is...

rdsx18

IIRC the 11+ GT's have a "lifetime"" fuel filter.