Performance mods for new Mustang
08-28-2012, 12:14 PM
#11
mygtcs,
Blacksmoke, gave you a lot of solid advice. I think he pretty much nailed it!
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There's a lot of hard work that goes into our tunes. We've done endless testing on our DynoJet 224xlc and on local streets/tracks, as well. With over 30 Employee/Company cars, our Bama Team has full access to test any of our products on any model/year Mustang they want, and they do!! In fact, we're so confident in our safe custom tunes that we even offer a cylinder #8 warranty for all 11+ GT's we tune. The idea of the warranty is to give our customers even more confidence in Bama and know we're always here to help!
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Shane
Blacksmoke, gave you a lot of solid advice. I think he pretty much nailed it!
Bama tunes- If you have any more questions about our Bama tunes, feel free to PM me or even give Bama a call directly @ 888.226.9764. Either of us will be more then happy to answer any of your questions.
There's a lot of hard work that goes into our tunes. We've done endless testing on our DynoJet 224xlc and on local streets/tracks, as well. With over 30 Employee/Company cars, our Bama Team has full access to test any of our products on any model/year Mustang they want, and they do!! In fact, we're so confident in our safe custom tunes that we even offer a cylinder #8 warranty for all 11+ GT's we tune. The idea of the warranty is to give our customers even more confidence in Bama and know we're always here to help!
Again, if there's anything else I can do, just let me know!
Shane
08-28-2012, 12:22 PM
#13
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Oklahoma
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Again, thanks for the advise even if everybody don't agree. Okay, I got a huge discount on the catback $450 is why I got it instead of the axle back. I thought same cost, Why Not? but, if a axle back would be better then I will consider sending it back. You have made me rethink what I want to do and now gears is much higher on the list. I have a custom tuner here local would that void my warranty? or would they even know? Does the Ford tuner work well and adjust for 4:10 gears? would you add the CAI or just go for the gears and tune first. Again, thanks for your time.
08-28-2012, 12:28 PM
#15
well blacksmoke is right best bang for buck for exhaust would be headers mid pipe and mufflers welded in but that will run around 1000 for parts and labor. the ford tune is your best option to keep your warranty and it will adjust to 4.10 gears i believe. as far ford goes the sell a pack with the tuner that has k&n drop in air filter which goes in the already stock cold air intake. you could get an upgraded cold air intake from steeda, cl , whoever but itd possibly void your warranty. ford has made great strides on these mustangs and have great stock features such as cold air intake
08-28-2012, 12:33 PM
#16
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Don't get 4.10s on your 2013 GT! Blacksmoke is thinking about his 5-Speed 06 GT.
The new 6-Speed on the GT has a lower first gear (3.66 vs 3.38) which combined with 4.10s would make first gear completely useless. I have driven a new 5.0 with the 3.73s and thought that they were too low of a gear. I would keep 3.55s if you have them, but would consider no more than 3.73s if you currently have 3.31s.
05-10 GT Tremec TR-3650 1st 3.38, 2nd 2.00, 3rd 1.32, 4th 1.00, 5th 0.675
11-13 GT 6-Speed Manual 1st 3.66, 2nd 2.43, 3rd 1.69, 4th 1.32, 5th 1.00, 6th 0.65
The new 6-Speed on the GT has a lower first gear (3.66 vs 3.38) which combined with 4.10s would make first gear completely useless. I have driven a new 5.0 with the 3.73s and thought that they were too low of a gear. I would keep 3.55s if you have them, but would consider no more than 3.73s if you currently have 3.31s.
05-10 GT Tremec TR-3650 1st 3.38, 2nd 2.00, 3rd 1.32, 4th 1.00, 5th 0.675
11-13 GT 6-Speed Manual 1st 3.66, 2nd 2.43, 3rd 1.69, 4th 1.32, 5th 1.00, 6th 0.65
Last edited by jdmcbride; 08-28-2012 at 12:41 PM.
08-28-2012, 12:38 PM
#17
The Paranoid One
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Location: Texas
Posts: 5,320
Here's what I would do.
Cancel the Cat back.
If you get headers down the road you will get an x pipe which will render
your cat back useless and you will have to throw it away or sell it.
A custom tuner would void the warranty yes.
And YES Ford can tell and WILL see that you have a different tune
when they check to see what the problem is with your car if one comes up.
Ford is really cracking down on warranties when it comes to tunes now I hate to say.
You will have to contact Ford or find someone here that knows a lot
about their tunes if you want to know more about their tune packages.
I have no idea how well they work. I have heard they are pretty good.
But I am not sure if they are equal to the other tuners.
Given that 90% of the power from a cold air intake and tune combo is
from the tune, if you wanted to save money.... sure you could skip the cold air intake for now in order to have extra cash for the gears.
You are going to need a tune when you get gears.
Your speedometer will not read correctly and your shift points will be off if you do not.
The real question is whether you want to void the warranty and maybe get more
performance, or keep the warranty and maybe sacrifice "some" performance.
Keep in mind if you try to keep your warranty with modding....
just about every mod you make for performance technically will have to be
Ford products. Although I have not heard of them voiding warranty over exhaust yet.
Given that most the bolt ons you are doing you can easily go Ford, it would not be hard at all to get quite a bit of well performing mods and keep the warranty intact.
The real question is this...
If you are going to mod, and something did go wrong with your car... and your warranty was voided.. would you have the money to pay for the cost of repair?
Also.. If the warranty is voided, will you have the money for other unseen repairs down the road?
If the answer is yes then don't worry about the warranty.
If the warranty is important to your money situation then go with the Ford tune.
And JDM is correct about the gears. You don't need 4.10's for your new 5.0.
I was thinking about the 5 speed that was right before the new 5.0
3.73 gears will be plenty. (Thanks jd for pointing that out btw, good catch!)
I do however disagree with staying at 3.55's.
I have driven the new 5.0 with them and
they still left me wanting more vs one with 3.73's.
It's pretty much like driving the 5 speeds with 3.73's instead of 4.10's.
So... 3.73 is the gear ratio I'd DEFINITELY go with.
Keep in mind jdm has 3.55's on his 08 5 speed. So hes not a real gear "type" of person you could say.
Not a bad thing at all. Just preference in how the car "feels".
In other words he does not prefer the extra UMMPHH and aggressive feel of them compared to how others do.
I say this only to imply that for what YOU are looking for, 3.73's would be the way to go.
Cancel the Cat back.
If you get headers down the road you will get an x pipe which will render
your cat back useless and you will have to throw it away or sell it.
A custom tuner would void the warranty yes.
And YES Ford can tell and WILL see that you have a different tune
when they check to see what the problem is with your car if one comes up.
Ford is really cracking down on warranties when it comes to tunes now I hate to say.
You will have to contact Ford or find someone here that knows a lot
about their tunes if you want to know more about their tune packages.
I have no idea how well they work. I have heard they are pretty good.
But I am not sure if they are equal to the other tuners.
Given that 90% of the power from a cold air intake and tune combo is
from the tune, if you wanted to save money.... sure you could skip the cold air intake for now in order to have extra cash for the gears.
You are going to need a tune when you get gears.
Your speedometer will not read correctly and your shift points will be off if you do not.
The real question is whether you want to void the warranty and maybe get more
performance, or keep the warranty and maybe sacrifice "some" performance.
Keep in mind if you try to keep your warranty with modding....
just about every mod you make for performance technically will have to be
Ford products. Although I have not heard of them voiding warranty over exhaust yet.
Given that most the bolt ons you are doing you can easily go Ford, it would not be hard at all to get quite a bit of well performing mods and keep the warranty intact.
The real question is this...
If you are going to mod, and something did go wrong with your car... and your warranty was voided.. would you have the money to pay for the cost of repair?
Also.. If the warranty is voided, will you have the money for other unseen repairs down the road?
If the answer is yes then don't worry about the warranty.
If the warranty is important to your money situation then go with the Ford tune.
And JDM is correct about the gears. You don't need 4.10's for your new 5.0.
I was thinking about the 5 speed that was right before the new 5.0
3.73 gears will be plenty. (Thanks jd for pointing that out btw, good catch!)
I do however disagree with staying at 3.55's.
I have driven the new 5.0 with them and
they still left me wanting more vs one with 3.73's.
It's pretty much like driving the 5 speeds with 3.73's instead of 4.10's.
So... 3.73 is the gear ratio I'd DEFINITELY go with.
Keep in mind jdm has 3.55's on his 08 5 speed. So hes not a real gear "type" of person you could say.
Not a bad thing at all. Just preference in how the car "feels".
In other words he does not prefer the extra UMMPHH and aggressive feel of them compared to how others do.
I say this only to imply that for what YOU are looking for, 3.73's would be the way to go.
Last edited by Blacksmoke; 08-28-2012 at 01:06 PM.
08-28-2012, 01:52 PM
#19
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 1,220
Here's what I would do.
Cancel the Cat back.
If you get headers down the road you will get an x pipe which will render
your cat back useless and you will have to throw it away or sell it.
A custom tuner would void the warranty yes.
And YES Ford can tell and WILL see that you have a different tune
when they check to see what the problem is with your car if one comes up.
Ford is really cracking down on warranties when it comes to tunes now I hate to say.
You will have to contact Ford or find someone here that knows a lot
about their tunes if you want to know more about their tune packages.
I have no idea how well they work. I have heard they are pretty good.
But I am not sure if they are equal to the other tuners.
Given that 90% of the power from a cold air intake and tune combo is
from the tune, if you wanted to save money.... sure you could skip the cold air intake for now in order to have extra cash for the gears.
You are going to need a tune when you get gears.
Your speedometer will not read correctly and your shift points will be off if you do not.
The real question is whether you want to void the warranty and maybe get more
performance, or keep the warranty and maybe sacrifice "some" performance.
Keep in mind if you try to keep your warranty with modding....
just about every mod you make for performance technically will have to be
Ford products. Although I have not heard of them voiding warranty over exhaust yet.
Given that most the bolt ons you are doing you can easily go Ford, it would not be hard at all to get quite a bit of well performing mods and keep the warranty intact.
The real question is this...
If you are going to mod, and something did go wrong with your car... and your warranty was voided.. would you have the money to pay for the cost of repair?
Also.. If the warranty is voided, will you have the money for other unseen repairs down the road?
If the answer is yes then don't worry about the warranty.
If the warranty is important to your money situation then go with the Ford tune.
And JDM is correct about the gears. You don't need 4.10's for your new 5.0.
I was thinking about the 5 speed that was right before the new 5.0
3.73 gears will be plenty. (Thanks jd for pointing that out btw, good catch!)
I do however disagree with staying at 3.55's.
I have driven the new 5.0 with them and
they still left me wanting more vs one with 3.73's.
It's pretty much like driving the 5 speeds with 3.73's instead of 4.10's.
So... 3.73 is the gear ratio I'd DEFINITELY go with.
Keep in mind jdm has 3.55's on his 08 5 speed. So hes not a real gear "type" of person you could say.
Not a bad thing at all. Just preference in how the car "feels".
In other words he does not prefer the extra UMMPHH and aggressive feel of them compared to how others do.
I say this only to imply that for what YOU are looking for, 3.73's would be the way to go.
Cancel the Cat back.
If you get headers down the road you will get an x pipe which will render
your cat back useless and you will have to throw it away or sell it.
A custom tuner would void the warranty yes.
And YES Ford can tell and WILL see that you have a different tune
when they check to see what the problem is with your car if one comes up.
Ford is really cracking down on warranties when it comes to tunes now I hate to say.
You will have to contact Ford or find someone here that knows a lot
about their tunes if you want to know more about their tune packages.
I have no idea how well they work. I have heard they are pretty good.
But I am not sure if they are equal to the other tuners.
Given that 90% of the power from a cold air intake and tune combo is
from the tune, if you wanted to save money.... sure you could skip the cold air intake for now in order to have extra cash for the gears.
You are going to need a tune when you get gears.
Your speedometer will not read correctly and your shift points will be off if you do not.
The real question is whether you want to void the warranty and maybe get more
performance, or keep the warranty and maybe sacrifice "some" performance.
Keep in mind if you try to keep your warranty with modding....
just about every mod you make for performance technically will have to be
Ford products. Although I have not heard of them voiding warranty over exhaust yet.
Given that most the bolt ons you are doing you can easily go Ford, it would not be hard at all to get quite a bit of well performing mods and keep the warranty intact.
The real question is this...
If you are going to mod, and something did go wrong with your car... and your warranty was voided.. would you have the money to pay for the cost of repair?
Also.. If the warranty is voided, will you have the money for other unseen repairs down the road?
If the answer is yes then don't worry about the warranty.
If the warranty is important to your money situation then go with the Ford tune.
And JDM is correct about the gears. You don't need 4.10's for your new 5.0.
I was thinking about the 5 speed that was right before the new 5.0
3.73 gears will be plenty. (Thanks jd for pointing that out btw, good catch!)
I do however disagree with staying at 3.55's.
I have driven the new 5.0 with them and
they still left me wanting more vs one with 3.73's.
It's pretty much like driving the 5 speeds with 3.73's instead of 4.10's.
So... 3.73 is the gear ratio I'd DEFINITELY go with.
Keep in mind jdm has 3.55's on his 08 5 speed. So hes not a real gear "type" of person you could say.
Not a bad thing at all. Just preference in how the car "feels".
In other words he does not prefer the extra UMMPHH and aggressive feel of them compared to how others do.
I say this only to imply that for what YOU are looking for, 3.73's would be the way to go.
08-28-2012, 01:57 PM
#20
The Paranoid One
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,320
Every single pipe is different. Even the pipe that goes over the axle.
The cat back would not even fit to the shorty pipe.
I found this out the hard way.
It would not work.