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Old 09-10-2012, 01:50 AM
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Hi, I'd like to ask all visitors to this forum for advice. I am the owner of the Ford Mustang 2005 v6. Vehicle I left the U.S. to bring him into the Czech Republic, I have limited options aproto advice and information regarding this vehicle.

My problem is that does not work switch off the TCS. I have a button that goes to press, but not responding. I'm worried that the car was brought from the U.S. after floods, because when the car is brought back bore him completely Elektrim and made here at our full nova set for about $ 7,000.

I would like to ask about the experience, if there's a trick to turn off the TCS / directions, or you can find somewhere that TCS scheme involve? I could, as an electrician check? I watched here http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=1 but there I found it. I feel that somehow does not work relays, aproto TCS is constantly ON.
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Think I got the gist of that. This is likely what you're after: http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=40&viewfile...%20Cluster.pdf (page 2)

I'm relatively confident that functionality is controlled via the instrument cluster. But, it could be an issue with the ABS module, the PCM, the cluster, or the switch.

http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=401&viewfil...%20Network.pdf
Traction control disable - Instrument cluster • HS-CAN • ABS module switch status
Traction control event - ABS module • HS-CAN • PCM progress
Traction control indicator - ABS module • HS-CAN • Instrument cluster request
Before you throw any parts at it, I'd simply bring it in somewhere over there that has the proper VCM/IDS tool to verify the issue, as it will show any CAN-BUS error messages, and show exactly which pieces are working, and those that are not.

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Think I got the gist of that. This is likely what you're after: http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=40&viewfile...%20Cluster.pdf (page 2)

I'm relatively confident that functionality is controlled via the instrument cluster.
Thank's, but what is SBJ ?
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Thank's, but what is SBJ ?
The SJB = Smart Junction Box. This is the secondary brain of the car with various micro-controllers and fuse box located at the passenger side kick-panel. The SJB does not control anything for TCS.
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Originally Posted by wayne613
Think I got the gist of that. This is likely what you're after: http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=40&viewfile...%20Cluster.pdf (page 2)

I'm relatively confident that functionality is controlled via the instrument cluster. But, it could be an issue with the ABS module, the PCM, the cluster, or the switch.

http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=401&viewfil...%20Network.pdf


Before you throw any parts at it, I'd simply bring it in somewhere over there that has the proper VCM/IDS tool to verify the issue, as it will show any CAN-BUS error messages, and show exactly which pieces are working, and those that are not.

auto diagnostics (VAG) does not show any errors. Just schrnuti, can you please tell me in what units (where) I should look for the glitch?
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auto diagnostics (VAG) does not show any errors. Just schrnuti, can you please tell me in what units (where) I should look for the glitch?
Not sure what protocols that supports, or how much it will show as I believe their ability is still limited (http://www.uobd2.com/wholesale/vag-diagnostic-tool/). I'm speaking of the rotunda VCM/IDS tool, (http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdi...vin=rules)this will give you the answer as to what is wrong for certain.

It can be had directly from a China dealer as I understand it for a fraction of the price, but the software is essentially pirated, and you'd be rolling the dice just in the purchase. But I would guess there would be some foreign car specialist there with this. Beyond that I can't help you.

This is much like saying your car doesn't start, it could be any of those 3 or 4 things I've mentioned.
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Let me just amend this, the PCM is only told of a TCS event. So the PCM should be fine. So either the ABS module or the instrument cluster is the culprit (or switch, which is unlikely unless tampered with). Check the simple things first, mainly the wiring. The indicator light is separate from the triggering of the TCS on and off functioning, so you could just have a bent pin or a broken/cut wire for all you know so far.

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Let me just amend this, the PCM is only told of a TCS event. So the PCM should be fine. So either the ABS module or the instrument cluster is the culprit (or switch, which is unlikely unless tampered with). Check the simple things first, mainly the wiring. The indicator light is separate from the triggering of the TCS on and off functioning, so you could just have a bent pin or a broken/cut wire for all you know so far.

When you start the car, he should light it TCS or not? When you start from Ja so it will not affect only the backlight shining in the night and when he starts, and a moment of Lights The passenger airbag is off, and then turn off. Tomorrow I'll try to connect VAG, whom I was already on the vehicle connected, could read virtually all values ​​(pre-, temperature, air vaha etc. ...), so I thought that VAG connect to live data and try to squeeze the TCS button if it reacts at all . Another thing, they do it with 2 types of TCS? I mean, if there is one species where it does not go off and the types where it goes off?

If the car was not necessary after the floods and someone not replaced the TCS unit for the type where you turn it off and let there not just blind.
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Didn't really understand all that.

It's HS-CAN for the CAN-BUS protocol used for this, and the software has to be set to read all of what is happening. The VCM tool does this, I'm doubting the VAG tool does.

The TCS light should be off until you press the button after the engine is running.

Again, I will re-iterate, check the wiring and verify them first. The TCS control line is just a momentary shunt to ground to send the enable/disable request.
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Correct me if i'm wrong but 2005 and 2006 mustangs do not have a Traction Control System.

At least my 2006 V6 did not have it.
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