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Old 10-15-2015, 07:59 PM
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This migjt help, but I have my doubts.

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
It seems that firmer than OE LCA bushings give the OE EPAS fits
I don't see how, given that the only sensor input the EPAS has to act upon is the steering angle sensor.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:47 PM
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2011 EPAS had issues.
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Old 10-16-2015, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jz78817
I don't see how, given that the only sensor input the EPAS has to act upon is the steering angle sensor.
That may (or may not) be the only external sensor. Obviously there has to be some sensor(s) somewhere - possibly inside the EPAS unit itself - that is/are involved with determining what the ANC and DPC corrections need to be. Those corrections are small amounts of steering generated directly within the EPAS system, completely independent of the driver and the steering angle sensor.


You're not supposed to notice the presence of ANC and DPC, but people who modified their cars' front suspension bushings promptly found out that this did not continue to be true. I think some vendors now state that their front control arms aren't or may not be compatible with the EPAS year cars.




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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
That may (or may not) be the only external sensor. Obviously there has to be some sensor(s) somewhere - possibly inside the EPAS unit itself - that is/are involved with determining what the ANC and DPC corrections need to be. Those corrections are small amounts of steering generated directly within the EPAS system, completely independent of the driver and the steering angle sensor.


You're not supposed to notice the presence of ANC and DPC, but people who modified their cars' front suspension bushings promptly found out that this did not continue to be true. I think some vendors now state that their front control arms aren't or may not be compatible with the EPAS year cars.




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there is the only the 1 sensor, it uses that along with software to provide the ANC and DPC
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The software still needs other inputs to determine when or how much compensation is needed. Not all roads have the same amount of crown, nor would all cars' wheels and tires exhibit the same amounts of nibble. If it's all contained inside the EPAS unit itself (as I suspect), it would not be obvious.


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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
The software still needs other inputs to determine when or how much compensation is needed. Not all roads have the same amount of crown, nor would all cars' wheels and tires exhibit the same amounts of nibble. If it's all contained inside the EPAS unit itself (as I suspect), it would not be obvious.


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the steering angle sensor is integrated into the EPAS motor, which is itself built into the steering rack.
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Is it me or does one of those bushings look a little mangled in the photo you posted.

And nothing with you shifting should effect how the car is handling.
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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
The software still needs other inputs to determine when or how much compensation is needed. Not all roads have the same amount of crown, nor would all cars' wheels and tires exhibit the same amounts of nibble. If it's all contained inside the EPAS unit itself (as I suspect), it would not be obvious.


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because the sensor used is a toque measurement sensor, that is all that is needed to determine the amount of assist required, the other variable is vehicle speed, and that is used to ramp up or down assist based off of road speed
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Originally Posted by GLOCKer
Is it me or does one of those bushings look a little mangled in the photo you posted.

And nothing with you shifting should effect how the car is handling.

which one? They are labeled.
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