K&N drop in & CAI
#11
Uhh, like i said the CAI by itself is a waste, a drop-in filter is a bigger waste. The TUNE has most of the power.
Here's why (and what the video proves). The STock program can only adjust for so much added airflow. That means you are limited by the PCM on how much power you will gain from a CAI. Unless you get a tune to go along with a CAI you will never realize the entire potential a CAI will provide you with. Why spend the money on a mod that can't be fully utilized, ergo a CAI without a tune, ergo CAI is a waste without the tune....
Here's why (and what the video proves). The STock program can only adjust for so much added airflow. That means you are limited by the PCM on how much power you will gain from a CAI. Unless you get a tune to go along with a CAI you will never realize the entire potential a CAI will provide you with. Why spend the money on a mod that can't be fully utilized, ergo a CAI without a tune, ergo CAI is a waste without the tune....
#13
And yes, you get really used to the glass roof. Makes things a so much brighter here in gray Seattle. It gets the most comments from the non-gear-heads.
#15
The restriction resolved by a CAI is in the piping, particularly around the MAF sensor. A drop in filter does little good with the stock piping. Make no mistake, though, a K&N filter doeas outflow a stock paper element. You would need to modify the air pipe and MAF housing to realize any gains.
I have a concern that the benefits of the factory cold air intake are lost with a typical CAI kit. These kits usually do a poor job of isolating the intake air from the engine compartment heat and so they aren't truly a cold air system, but just a free flowing under hood.
Add to this that Roush has dyno tested the 5.0 airbox to support their supercharger and you start to see my point. It's not the airbox, but the plumbing connecting it to the throttlebody, that is the problem. I suspect the 3.7 airbox and 5.0 airbox are very similar, since they use the same filter. Lastly, since the 3.7 has the same filter and it is good for a 5.0, shouldn't it be OK for a 3.7?
I'd challenge the Aftermarket to make a kit that preserves the stock airbox with revised plumbing to allow retention of true cold air induction.
I have a concern that the benefits of the factory cold air intake are lost with a typical CAI kit. These kits usually do a poor job of isolating the intake air from the engine compartment heat and so they aren't truly a cold air system, but just a free flowing under hood.
Add to this that Roush has dyno tested the 5.0 airbox to support their supercharger and you start to see my point. It's not the airbox, but the plumbing connecting it to the throttlebody, that is the problem. I suspect the 3.7 airbox and 5.0 airbox are very similar, since they use the same filter. Lastly, since the 3.7 has the same filter and it is good for a 5.0, shouldn't it be OK for a 3.7?
I'd challenge the Aftermarket to make a kit that preserves the stock airbox with revised plumbing to allow retention of true cold air induction.
#16
K&N drop in = dropping your money in the toilet.
CAI without a tune will give you MINIMAL gains if any. If you want 3-5Hp then go ahead.
I dont care what companies advertise.
Without a tune you will not notice JACK and you might as well get it for looks.
Get a CAI from Brenspeed or AM. But get a TUNE. You will regret it if you don't.
That's a promise.
There's not much difference in CAI's but I for one DONT like K&N period.
I'd get C&L, JLT, or something like that.
And yes you NEED a tune with it.
Get a package that has a hand held tuner.
You will need one anyways for future mods.
If you buy from AM or Brenspeed or a place like that they give you lifetime free tunes after you buy from them, they used to at least.
CAI without a tune will give you MINIMAL gains if any. If you want 3-5Hp then go ahead.
I dont care what companies advertise.
Without a tune you will not notice JACK and you might as well get it for looks.
Get a CAI from Brenspeed or AM. But get a TUNE. You will regret it if you don't.
That's a promise.
There's not much difference in CAI's but I for one DONT like K&N period.
I'd get C&L, JLT, or something like that.
And yes you NEED a tune with it.
Get a package that has a hand held tuner.
You will need one anyways for future mods.
If you buy from AM or Brenspeed or a place like that they give you lifetime free tunes after you buy from them, they used to at least.
Last edited by Blacksmoke; 06-20-2011 at 09:07 PM.
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