Who can do a burnout with all stock and just a tune?
02-25-2015, 07:37 AM
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Who can do a burnout with all stock and just a tune?
My car is all stock and I've recently switched to 3.55 gears and an MPT tune.
Part throttle response is great, at full throttle it pulls hard, and shifts hard under full throttle.
Overall very happy, but....
I can't do a burnout, even if I turn off TC and hold down the button long enough to turn off advancetrac.
What I mean by burnout is not by power braking but when you are at a stop, foot on the brake and engine at idle, let go of the brake and go WOT at the same time.
I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the no burnout after hearing of others doing it.
So my question is can those with stock or near stock and just a tune, do a burnout without power-braking?
Just wondering if I am expecting too much from a near-stock 3.7.
Part throttle response is great, at full throttle it pulls hard, and shifts hard under full throttle.
Overall very happy, but....
I can't do a burnout, even if I turn off TC and hold down the button long enough to turn off advancetrac.
What I mean by burnout is not by power braking but when you are at a stop, foot on the brake and engine at idle, let go of the brake and go WOT at the same time.
I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the no burnout after hearing of others doing it.
So my question is can those with stock or near stock and just a tune, do a burnout without power-braking?
Just wondering if I am expecting too much from a near-stock 3.7.
02-26-2015, 07:46 AM
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In that youtube video it looks like the burnout he did was with some help from power-braking.
I do have tires with good grip, they are 255/45-18 Sumitomo High Performance HTR Z II Tire on 18x9 wheels.
I just found out about the torque management after I ordered the tuner/tunes, as soon as I read up on torque management I shot a quick email to MPT and let them know to disable the TM if possible. Their reply was that they totally disable it when you choose the race trans option and partially disable it in the street trans option.
I think the no burnout situation is a combination of even though this engine is stronger with the tune you can't expect miracles in bottom end torque gains, plus a tight stock converter, and the tires hook real good.
Another observation on the tires hooking is when I load the tune that has the race trans option, it shifts hard and for many people with this tune option will chirp the tires when it shifts under full throttle. On mine under full throttle when it shifts it doesn't chirp the tires, the tires dead hook and the car leaps forward when it shifts which is really ideal although maybe not sound as cool as chirping the tires.
I do have tires with good grip, they are 255/45-18 Sumitomo High Performance HTR Z II Tire on 18x9 wheels.
I just found out about the torque management after I ordered the tuner/tunes, as soon as I read up on torque management I shot a quick email to MPT and let them know to disable the TM if possible. Their reply was that they totally disable it when you choose the race trans option and partially disable it in the street trans option.
I think the no burnout situation is a combination of even though this engine is stronger with the tune you can't expect miracles in bottom end torque gains, plus a tight stock converter, and the tires hook real good.
Another observation on the tires hooking is when I load the tune that has the race trans option, it shifts hard and for many people with this tune option will chirp the tires when it shifts under full throttle. On mine under full throttle when it shifts it doesn't chirp the tires, the tires dead hook and the car leaps forward when it shifts which is really ideal although maybe not sound as cool as chirping the tires.
02-28-2015, 07:25 AM
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Thanks for the responses everyone.
I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm not happy with the performance, this is probably the best all around car I've ever had.
The reason I asked the "can anybody do a burnout" question was I read several times about people getting a tune and all of a sudden had the power to do a burnout. If that was true I would have been a little disappointed and I have to admit I was thinking "hey how come they can do a burnout and I can't do a burnout! ...but as far as I can tell the ones doing a burnout are doing it with the help of power-braking, at least those that are pretty much stock other than a tune.
I really wouldn't expect a small 3.7L engine with a tight stock converter to have the down low torque to spin the tires, especially knowing how much power it makes in the upper rpm range and the torque peak is well above the stall speed of the converter.
If I wasn't worried about voiding my warranty, my next modification would be a Circle D converter.
I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm not happy with the performance, this is probably the best all around car I've ever had.
The reason I asked the "can anybody do a burnout" question was I read several times about people getting a tune and all of a sudden had the power to do a burnout. If that was true I would have been a little disappointed and I have to admit I was thinking "hey how come they can do a burnout and I can't do a burnout! ...but as far as I can tell the ones doing a burnout are doing it with the help of power-braking, at least those that are pretty much stock other than a tune.
I really wouldn't expect a small 3.7L engine with a tight stock converter to have the down low torque to spin the tires, especially knowing how much power it makes in the upper rpm range and the torque peak is well above the stall speed of the converter.
If I wasn't worried about voiding my warranty, my next modification would be a Circle D converter.
03-05-2015, 04:02 PM
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My car is all stock and I've recently switched to 3.55 gears and an MPT tune.
Part throttle response is great, at full throttle it pulls hard, and shifts hard under full throttle.
Overall very happy, but....
I can't do a burnout, even if I turn off TC and hold down the button long enough to turn off advancetrac.
What I mean by burnout is not by power braking but when you are at a stop, foot on the brake and engine at idle, let go of the brake and go WOT at the same time.
I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the no burnout after hearing of others doing it.
So my question is can those with stock or near stock and just a tune, do a burnout without power-braking?
Just wondering if I am expecting too much from a near-stock 3.7.
Part throttle response is great, at full throttle it pulls hard, and shifts hard under full throttle.
Overall very happy, but....
I can't do a burnout, even if I turn off TC and hold down the button long enough to turn off advancetrac.
What I mean by burnout is not by power braking but when you are at a stop, foot on the brake and engine at idle, let go of the brake and go WOT at the same time.
I have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the no burnout after hearing of others doing it.
So my question is can those with stock or near stock and just a tune, do a burnout without power-braking?
Just wondering if I am expecting too much from a near-stock 3.7.
03-25-2015, 04:28 PM
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Thanks for the responses everyone.
I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm not happy with the performance, this is probably the best all around car I've ever had.
The reason I asked the "can anybody do a burnout" question was I read several times about people getting a tune and all of a sudden had the power to do a burnout. If that was true I would have been a little disappointed and I have to admit I was thinking "hey how come they can do a burnout and I can't do a burnout! ...but as far as I can tell the ones doing a burnout are doing it with the help of power-braking, at least those that are pretty much stock other than a tune.
I really wouldn't expect a small 3.7L engine with a tight stock converter to have the down low torque to spin the tires, especially knowing how much power it makes in the upper rpm range and the torque peak is well above the stall speed of the converter.
If I wasn't worried about voiding my warranty, my next modification would be a Circle D converter.
I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm not happy with the performance, this is probably the best all around car I've ever had.
The reason I asked the "can anybody do a burnout" question was I read several times about people getting a tune and all of a sudden had the power to do a burnout. If that was true I would have been a little disappointed and I have to admit I was thinking "hey how come they can do a burnout and I can't do a burnout! ...but as far as I can tell the ones doing a burnout are doing it with the help of power-braking, at least those that are pretty much stock other than a tune.
I really wouldn't expect a small 3.7L engine with a tight stock converter to have the down low torque to spin the tires, especially knowing how much power it makes in the upper rpm range and the torque peak is well above the stall speed of the converter.
If I wasn't worried about voiding my warranty, my next modification would be a Circle D converter.
03-25-2015, 08:13 PM
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You are right Choppertwo, as they say "spinning ain't winning".
Sometime in the next month or so, me and a couple of work buddies are planning a trip to the dragstrip. Then I'll have some actual numbers to compare against the other times I've heard quoted from similar setups, and have a better idea if I'm where I think I should be with the mods I have.
Sometime in the next month or so, me and a couple of work buddies are planning a trip to the dragstrip. Then I'll have some actual numbers to compare against the other times I've heard quoted from similar setups, and have a better idea if I'm where I think I should be with the mods I have.
03-26-2015, 06:14 AM
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You are right Choppertwo, as they say "spinning ain't winning".
Sometime in the next month or so, me and a couple of work buddies are planning a trip to the dragstrip. Then I'll have some actual numbers to compare against the other times I've heard quoted from similar setups, and have a better idea if I'm where I think I should be with the mods I have.
Sometime in the next month or so, me and a couple of work buddies are planning a trip to the dragstrip. Then I'll have some actual numbers to compare against the other times I've heard quoted from similar setups, and have a better idea if I'm where I think I should be with the mods I have.
