supercharger questions
05-28-2011, 07:28 PM
#11
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Whats up with all you guys and the Xchargers? They make roughly 270-290 non intercooled, and the highest numbers I've seen are around 330 intercooled. Time slips don't lie, Vortech ftw. Oh yeah and holy heat soak xcharger.
05-29-2011, 11:27 PM
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Eddie makes a good point. ...of course I'm a little biased, having had a Vortech on my 4.0.
But, with a fmic, the intake air temps were nice and cool, whereas sitting on top of the engine, the x-charger most likely will have higher IATs, even if intercooled.
Both are good power-adders and do not require stock engine mods to make great power.
You will want to upgrade the rear end, though.
But, with a fmic, the intake air temps were nice and cool, whereas sitting on top of the engine, the x-charger most likely will have higher IATs, even if intercooled.
Both are good power-adders and do not require stock engine mods to make great power.
You will want to upgrade the rear end, though.
05-31-2011, 11:51 PM
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@3.0Taurass
The Xtreme is air to water intercooled and runs a smaller pulley. Producing more torque and horsepower.
@2005Redfire6
You will never get it so why bother asking?
Horsepower isn't the only factor and if it was everyone would simple go turbo. The X-Charger makes much better torque than the Vortech especially down low with a very flat torque curve which translate to a real fun and well mannered street car. I may not have mentioned it in our other debates but I actually met the guy at Shelby Motors in Las Vegas that designed the Shelby CS6 and he drove my Mustang before it was even intercooled. He went on and on about how nice power came on as compared to the Vortech they use in the CS6. For a Daily driver or Autocross application that helps a lot over a small high end horsepower advantage with the Vortech even then the average off the shelf unmodified Vortech kit is not winning every race on the drag strip against ever X-Charger. I also open track my Mustang and have not had an issue with heat soak with the intercooler. Being on the track for over 20 minutes or more at a time ***** out versus your 12 seconds runs.
P.S.
I am not going to elaborate any more in this post since the moderators tend to get PO at our debates and just shut them down anyway.
The Xtreme is air to water intercooled and runs a smaller pulley. Producing more torque and horsepower.
@2005Redfire6
You will never get it so why bother asking?
Horsepower isn't the only factor and if it was everyone would simple go turbo. The X-Charger makes much better torque than the Vortech especially down low with a very flat torque curve which translate to a real fun and well mannered street car. I may not have mentioned it in our other debates but I actually met the guy at Shelby Motors in Las Vegas that designed the Shelby CS6 and he drove my Mustang before it was even intercooled. He went on and on about how nice power came on as compared to the Vortech they use in the CS6. For a Daily driver or Autocross application that helps a lot over a small high end horsepower advantage with the Vortech even then the average off the shelf unmodified Vortech kit is not winning every race on the drag strip against ever X-Charger. I also open track my Mustang and have not had an issue with heat soak with the intercooler. Being on the track for over 20 minutes or more at a time ***** out versus your 12 seconds runs.
P.S.
I am not going to elaborate any more in this post since the moderators tend to get PO at our debates and just shut them down anyway.
Last edited by Nice Pony; 05-31-2011 at 11:59 PM.
06-01-2011, 08:58 AM
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@3.0Taurass
The Xtreme is air to water intercooled and runs a smaller pulley. Producing more torque and horsepower.
@2005Redfire6
You will never get it so why bother asking?
Horsepower isn't the only factor and if it was everyone would simple go turbo. The X-Charger makes much better torque than the Vortech especially down low with a very flat torque curve which translate to a real fun and well mannered street car. I may not have mentioned it in our other debates but I actually met the guy at Shelby Motors in Las Vegas that designed the Shelby CS6 and he drove my Mustang before it was even intercooled. He went on and on about how nice power came on as compared to the Vortech they use in the CS6. For a Daily driver or Autocross application that helps a lot over a small high end horsepower advantage with the Vortech even then the average off the shelf unmodified Vortech kit is not winning every race on the drag strip against ever X-Charger. I also open track my Mustang and have not had an issue with heat soak with the intercooler. Being on the track for over 20 minutes or more at a time ***** out versus your 12 seconds runs.
P.S.
I am not going to elaborate any more in this post since the moderators tend to get PO at our debates and just shut them down anyway.
The Xtreme is air to water intercooled and runs a smaller pulley. Producing more torque and horsepower.
@2005Redfire6
You will never get it so why bother asking?
Horsepower isn't the only factor and if it was everyone would simple go turbo. The X-Charger makes much better torque than the Vortech especially down low with a very flat torque curve which translate to a real fun and well mannered street car. I may not have mentioned it in our other debates but I actually met the guy at Shelby Motors in Las Vegas that designed the Shelby CS6 and he drove my Mustang before it was even intercooled. He went on and on about how nice power came on as compared to the Vortech they use in the CS6. For a Daily driver or Autocross application that helps a lot over a small high end horsepower advantage with the Vortech even then the average off the shelf unmodified Vortech kit is not winning every race on the drag strip against ever X-Charger. I also open track my Mustang and have not had an issue with heat soak with the intercooler. Being on the track for over 20 minutes or more at a time ***** out versus your 12 seconds runs.
P.S.
I am not going to elaborate any more in this post since the moderators tend to get PO at our debates and just shut them down anyway.
06-01-2011, 11:08 AM
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What date are you talking about this thread is reasonably fresh from 05-28-2011?
So why do you insist on talking smack out of nowhere about the X-Charger like this in every post you make that has to do with superchargers?
"Whats up with all you guys and the Xchargers? They make roughly 270-290 non intercooled, and the highest numbers I've seen are around 330 intercooled. Time slips don't lie, Vortech ftw. Oh yeah and holy heat soak xcharger."
I don't talk smack about other systems unless provoked and even then only point out known issues and pros and cons. So "Whats up with" the continued smack?
PS:
I actually did have a heat soak issue one time before installing the intercooler running open track at Pacific Raceways for 40 minutes and only in the afternoon when the ambient outside temperatures reached 95°F. No telling how hot it was on the track. 99.9% of the rest of my 108,000 mile with the X-Charger it has never been an issue at all.
On that track the front straight is parallel with the drag trip. We come onto the straight already going pretty fast, make a very slight jog to the left just beyond the end of the drag strip finish line and continue to the end of the drag strip run out into coner 1 which is a flat down hill turn to the right and finally get into short breaking area before corner 2. All the while at wide open throttle.
So why do you insist on talking smack out of nowhere about the X-Charger like this in every post you make that has to do with superchargers?
"Whats up with all you guys and the Xchargers? They make roughly 270-290 non intercooled, and the highest numbers I've seen are around 330 intercooled. Time slips don't lie, Vortech ftw. Oh yeah and holy heat soak xcharger."
I don't talk smack about other systems unless provoked and even then only point out known issues and pros and cons. So "Whats up with" the continued smack?
PS:
I actually did have a heat soak issue one time before installing the intercooler running open track at Pacific Raceways for 40 minutes and only in the afternoon when the ambient outside temperatures reached 95°F. No telling how hot it was on the track. 99.9% of the rest of my 108,000 mile with the X-Charger it has never been an issue at all.
On that track the front straight is parallel with the drag trip. We come onto the straight already going pretty fast, make a very slight jog to the left just beyond the end of the drag strip finish line and continue to the end of the drag strip run out into coner 1 which is a flat down hill turn to the right and finally get into short breaking area before corner 2. All the while at wide open throttle.
Last edited by Nice Pony; 06-01-2011 at 11:29 AM.
06-01-2011, 11:41 AM
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Here are a couple of X-Charger vids for you. This was before the intercooler!
Pacific Raceway Seattle WA:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GaylonNu.../0/A8W_4uw8edo
Portland International Raceway Portland WA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9co9Spdzk
Pacific Raceway Seattle WA:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GaylonNu.../0/A8W_4uw8edo
Portland International Raceway Portland WA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9co9Spdzk
06-01-2011, 12:51 PM
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What date are you talking about this thread is reasonably fresh from 05-28-2011?
So why do you insist on talking smack out of nowhere about the X-Charger like this in every post you make that has to do with superchargers?
"Whats up with all you guys and the Xchargers? They make roughly 270-290 non intercooled, and the highest numbers I've seen are around 330 intercooled. Time slips don't lie, Vortech ftw. Oh yeah and holy heat soak xcharger."
I don't talk smack about other systems unless provoked and even then only point out known issues and pros and cons. So "Whats up with" the continued smack?
PS:
I actually did have a heat soak issue one time before installing the intercooler running open track at Pacific Raceways for 40 minutes and only in the afternoon when the ambient outside temperatures reached 95°F. No telling how hot it was on the track. 99.9% of the rest of my 108,000 mile with the X-Charger it has never been an issue at all.
On that track the front straight is parallel with the drag trip. We come onto the straight already going pretty fast, make a very slight jog to the left just beyond the end of the drag strip finish line and continue to the end of the drag strip run out into coner 1 which is a flat down hill turn to the right and finally get into short breaking area before corner 2. All the while at wide open throttle.
So why do you insist on talking smack out of nowhere about the X-Charger like this in every post you make that has to do with superchargers?
"Whats up with all you guys and the Xchargers? They make roughly 270-290 non intercooled, and the highest numbers I've seen are around 330 intercooled. Time slips don't lie, Vortech ftw. Oh yeah and holy heat soak xcharger."
I don't talk smack about other systems unless provoked and even then only point out known issues and pros and cons. So "Whats up with" the continued smack?
PS:
I actually did have a heat soak issue one time before installing the intercooler running open track at Pacific Raceways for 40 minutes and only in the afternoon when the ambient outside temperatures reached 95°F. No telling how hot it was on the track. 99.9% of the rest of my 108,000 mile with the X-Charger it has never been an issue at all.
On that track the front straight is parallel with the drag trip. We come onto the straight already going pretty fast, make a very slight jog to the left just beyond the end of the drag strip finish line and continue to the end of the drag strip run out into coner 1 which is a flat down hill turn to the right and finally get into short breaking area before corner 2. All the while at wide open throttle.
06-01-2011, 10:43 PM
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