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I would have to disagree with 03sonicgt. I have the SLPLMIIs with a stock h pipe and it sounds bad ***. My buddy has a 2000 gt vert with the LMIs and a Mac o/r h and it sounds even better. Either you like chambered or straight throught mufflers. It is all personal taste. I will try to get a clip of his exhaust soon and I will post it.