Disappointed in 3:73s
05-04-2004, 02:52 AM
#41
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
ORIGINAL: EmoInWinter
I have 4.10 gears in my 99 5-speed GT. You can see the specs below. I have 17x9 wheels, with street tires. On the strip I can launch my car at 3100 and still not have a problem hooking up. With the 4.10 gears I keep up with LT1s and LS1s for most of the quarter mile. They are excellent. If you have them you just have to know how to drive correctly. Obviousy "2000GT4.6" may not know how to do that, so he would prefer to just take the easier route, 3.73s. 4.10s are for real men. Don't go with anything less. Also, I still get anywhere between 19 and 20 mpg in the highway. It may be a little bit more on gas, but not that much of a difference. The sacrifice is worth the look on the faces of the Chevy and ricer owners.
As i am saying, its not only the gas that is an issue. Traction in 1st is going to be a real problem.
Put it this way. My car was acutally slower off the line with the 3.73s compared to the 3.27s until I got my D/Rs. I couldn't floor it in first, because if I did the tires would spin. This means you end up shifting into 2nd early, and the car bogs down.
Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.
Put it this way. My car was acutally slower off the line with the 3.73s compared to the 3.27s until I got my D/Rs. I couldn't floor it in first, because if I did the tires would spin. This means you end up shifting into 2nd early, and the car bogs down.
Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.
I guarentee you that if we have the same engine mods, and im running 3.73s with drag radials vs your 4.10s with street tires, im gonna eat your *** off the line. I was running a NICE set of BFG regular tires before (sams club quoted me 180/each on em), and now run nitto D/Rs. There is absolutly no comparason.
4.10s are a "mans gear"? That is absolutly the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. What difference does it make how you get there as long as you do? Your more of a man because you are making your car harder to drive? This is the same line as all of the old school people bitching about N20 being to easy.
What are your 1/4 mile times? Even I am having a hard time beilving with a X pipe/mufflers and a inletpipe/air filter you are beating LS1s down the quarter. Espcially without D/Rs.
05-06-2004, 12:46 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
ORIGINAL: jeep45238
Pushrods+ more cubes=more down low torque than a SOHC 4.6
ORIGINAL: Dan02GT
Huh? Lack the low-end punch?
I think this is one of the only times you've messed up on here Jeep
Equal in torque buddy!!
Huh? Lack the low-end punch?
I think this is one of the only times you've messed up on here Jeep
Equal in torque buddy!!
Dont know if anyone is still paying attention to this forum or not, but I am very interested in the fact that folks think that pushrods help an engine produce more low end torque. As far as I know, valvetrain design has nothing to due with torque production. Torque equals force over distance, so cylinder pressure and stroke are the ultimate torque producing factors. The fact that I have the cam directly opening and closing the valve instead of the cam lifting a lifter and a pushrod doesn't affect torque. Honestly by utilizing an overhead cam design you reduce friction which in turn will make for more torque. Just my two cents
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05-13-2004, 10:38 PM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
What are your 1/4 mile times? Even I am having a hard time beilving with a X pipe/mufflers and a inletpipe/air filter you are beating LS1s down the quarter. Espcially without D/Rs.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I guarentee you that if we have the same engine mods, and im running 3.73s with drag radials vs your 4.10s with street tires, im gonna eat your *** off the line. I was running a NICE set of BFG regular tires before (sams club quoted me 180/each on em), and now run nitto D/Rs. There is absolutly no comparason.
05-14-2004, 01:23 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
ORIGINAL: EmoInWinter
I'm hitting high 13s right now. Plus, I didn't say that I was beating them down the quarter mile, just keeping up with them.
If you remember right what we are talking about, it is gears. Okay, you may beat me if you are running 3.73s with drag radials vs 4.10s with street tires, but if I was running 4.10s with street tires I would destroy you. That is the point I'm making. 4.10s are better than 3.73s. It comes down to that. The original question has to do with what were better gears. 4.10s are, hands down...
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
What are your 1/4 mile times? Even I am having a hard time beilving with a X pipe/mufflers and a inletpipe/air filter you are beating LS1s down the quarter. Espcially without D/Rs.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I guarentee you that if we have the same engine mods, and im running 3.73s with drag radials vs your 4.10s with street tires, im gonna eat your *** off the line. I was running a NICE set of BFG regular tires before (sams club quoted me 180/each on em), and now run nitto D/Rs. There is absolutly no comparason.
That last quote made no sense at all, 3.73 DR vs 4.10 street then 4.10 street vs 3.73? I am confused.
05-14-2004, 01:59 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
hey, i'm not exactly "gear-smart", so could someone please tell me why 4:10's are so great.
i know they are suppose to give hella good accel. but no top end, but 3:73 are kinda equaled out and spread out.
what would be the best ratio for both top speed and accel?
i know they are suppose to give hella good accel. but no top end, but 3:73 are kinda equaled out and spread out.
what would be the best ratio for both top speed and accel?
05-14-2004, 02:30 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
ORIGINAL: EmoInWinter
I'm hitting high 13s right now. Plus, I didn't say that I was beating them down the quarter mile, just keeping up with them.
If you remember right what we are talking about, it is gears. Okay, you may beat me if you are running 3.73s with drag radials vs 4.10s with street tires, but if I was running 4.10s with street tires I would destroy you. That is the point I'm making. 4.10s are better than 3.73s. It comes down to that. The original question has to do with what were better gears. 4.10s are, hands down...
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
What are your 1/4 mile times? Even I am having a hard time beilving with a X pipe/mufflers and a inletpipe/air filter you are beating LS1s down the quarter. Espcially without D/Rs.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I guarentee you that if we have the same engine mods, and im running 3.73s with drag radials vs your 4.10s with street tires, im gonna eat your *** off the line. I was running a NICE set of BFG regular tires before (sams club quoted me 180/each on em), and now run nitto D/Rs. There is absolutly no comparason.
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