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i was waiting omy friend that i know before i posted. yesterday he didnt want them and he called me after i posted it. i will talk to him today and find out whats going on
they became more popular when people actually started buying them and realizing they sound pretty damn good, instead of listening to the hear-say tech people. i got mine for 359 almost 2 years ago. i swapped out the mufflers since then though for the LM2s.