Pure Oxygen?
08-31-2006, 08:34 PM
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Pure Oxygen?
I was thinking and chatting with a friend about nitrous oxide, and other options of things to inject into the engine.
It's the oxygen in the cylinder that promotes combustion... so what if you adapted your intake to a large tank of pure oxygen and sprayed that instead? Oxygen only makes up about 21% of the air we breathe... so what if you upped that to 100% for the engine? Obviously you'd need a tune adapted for it... and the tank would be an issue... what results would this give you over nitrous?
Just an idea to toss around.
It's the oxygen in the cylinder that promotes combustion... so what if you adapted your intake to a large tank of pure oxygen and sprayed that instead? Oxygen only makes up about 21% of the air we breathe... so what if you upped that to 100% for the engine? Obviously you'd need a tune adapted for it... and the tank would be an issue... what results would this give you over nitrous?
Just an idea to toss around.
08-31-2006, 08:35 PM
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RE: Pure Oxygen?
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
I was thinking and chatting with a friend about nitrous oxide, and other options of things to inject into the engine.
It's the oxygen in the cylinder that promotes combustion... so what if you adapted your intake to a large tank of pure oxygen and sprayed that instead? Oxygen only makes up about 21% of the air we breathe... so what if you upped that to 100% for the engine? Obviously you'd need a tune adapted for it... and the tank would be an issue... what results would this give you over nitrous?
Just an idea to toss around.
I was thinking and chatting with a friend about nitrous oxide, and other options of things to inject into the engine.
It's the oxygen in the cylinder that promotes combustion... so what if you adapted your intake to a large tank of pure oxygen and sprayed that instead? Oxygen only makes up about 21% of the air we breathe... so what if you upped that to 100% for the engine? Obviously you'd need a tune adapted for it... and the tank would be an issue... what results would this give you over nitrous?
Just an idea to toss around.
08-31-2006, 08:52 PM
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RE: Pure Oxygen?
Yeah, I'd expect it to blow with 100% oxygen, at least ours... going to 100% oxygen would mean an 80% increase in power for any vehicle... impressive... but with nitrous you can make more still... eh, it's an interesting idea to toy around with at any rate.
09-01-2006, 02:20 AM
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RE: Pure Oxygen?
Nitrous is only combustable when it heats up and breaks down (mostly while in the cumbustion chamber under pressure). Pure oxygen is readilly combustable when it is mixed with any type of fuel (even in the intake). So I dont think it would be very safe at all.
09-01-2006, 02:23 AM
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RE: Pure Oxygen?
oxygen does not provide the cooling effect that nitrous does. Pure 02 into an engine = kaboom.
Not only that, but I think (not 100 percent sure) that you will find that nitrous will be more compressed while still remaining in a vapor state, compared to pure oxygen.
Not only that, but I think (not 100 percent sure) that you will find that nitrous will be more compressed while still remaining in a vapor state, compared to pure oxygen.
09-01-2006, 02:45 AM
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Yeah, I'd expect it to blow with 100% oxygen, at least ours... going to 100% oxygen would mean an 80% increase in power for any vehicle... impressive... but with nitrous you can make more still... eh, it's an interesting idea to toy around with at any rate.
Yeah, I'd expect it to blow with 100% oxygen, at least ours... going to 100% oxygen would mean an 80% increase in power for any vehicle... impressive... but with nitrous you can make more still... eh, it's an interesting idea to toy around with at any rate.
Oxygen is denser than air by about 10%, at 1.29 kg per cubic meter at 100kpa and 25 degrees C, as opposed to the 1.168 kg/m^3 that air is. So...1.29 kilos of O2 per cubic meter in box a, 1.168*.21=.24528 kilos in box B, A/B*100%= 526%.
And for ****s and giggles (hey, that's what it does to us), lets factor nitrous oxide into the mix, and we get 1.775 kilos of N2O at the same conditions, which, since we have ~40 mols/m^3 of the molecule in O2 and N2O, we get half as much oxygen per m^3 than pure oxygen when using Nitrous oxide as our "air", so O2 would theortically give twice as much as N2O.
But yes, it will explode. Oxygen will cause reactions with a lot of things, not just the fuel. Got a rubber connection between your intake and throttle? That'll go up. The steel will rust, the oil will burn, the gasoline will explode sending bits of your engine out to Mars.
09-01-2006, 02:47 AM
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oxygen does not provide the cooling effect that nitrous does. Pure 02 into an engine = kaboom.
Not only that, but I think (not 100 percent sure) that you will find that nitrous will be more compressed while still remaining in a vapor state, compared to pure oxygen.
oxygen does not provide the cooling effect that nitrous does. Pure 02 into an engine = kaboom.
Not only that, but I think (not 100 percent sure) that you will find that nitrous will be more compressed while still remaining in a vapor state, compared to pure oxygen.
09-01-2006, 02:51 AM
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RE: Pure Oxygen?
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Try 426%...that's sucking just oxygen.
Oxygen is denser than air by about 10%, at 1.29 kg per cubic meter at 100kpa and 25 degrees C, as opposed to the 1.168 kg/m^3 that air is. So...1.29 kilos of O2 per cubic meter in box a, 1.168*.21=.24528 kilos in box B, A/B*100%= 526%.
And for ****s and giggles (hey, that's what it does to us), lets factor nitrous oxide into the mix, and we get 1.775 kilos of N2O at the same conditions, which, since we have ~40 mols/m^3 of the molecule in O2 and N2O, we get half as much oxygen per m^3 than pure oxygen when using Nitrous oxide as our "air", so O2 would theortically give twice as much as N2O.
But yes, it will explode. Oxygen will cause reactions with a lot of things, not just the fuel. Got a rubber connection between your intake and throttle? That'll go up. The steel will rust, the oil will burn, the gasoline will explode sending bits of your engine out to Mars.
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
Yeah, I'd expect it to blow with 100% oxygen, at least ours... going to 100% oxygen would mean an 80% increase in power for any vehicle... impressive... but with nitrous you can make more still... eh, it's an interesting idea to toy around with at any rate.
Yeah, I'd expect it to blow with 100% oxygen, at least ours... going to 100% oxygen would mean an 80% increase in power for any vehicle... impressive... but with nitrous you can make more still... eh, it's an interesting idea to toy around with at any rate.
Oxygen is denser than air by about 10%, at 1.29 kg per cubic meter at 100kpa and 25 degrees C, as opposed to the 1.168 kg/m^3 that air is. So...1.29 kilos of O2 per cubic meter in box a, 1.168*.21=.24528 kilos in box B, A/B*100%= 526%.
And for ****s and giggles (hey, that's what it does to us), lets factor nitrous oxide into the mix, and we get 1.775 kilos of N2O at the same conditions, which, since we have ~40 mols/m^3 of the molecule in O2 and N2O, we get half as much oxygen per m^3 than pure oxygen when using Nitrous oxide as our "air", so O2 would theortically give twice as much as N2O.
But yes, it will explode. Oxygen will cause reactions with a lot of things, not just the fuel. Got a rubber connection between your intake and throttle? That'll go up. The steel will rust, the oil will burn, the gasoline will explode sending bits of your engine out to Mars.
