Dyno proven electric S/C
#11
RE: Dyno proven electric S/C
I e-mailed them just now asking to see dyno numbers for this thing. I also asked why all there customers are 4 and 6 cylinders and will it work on mustangs. I'll let you all know if they respond.
#13
I got the e-mail
Ok he finally sent me an e-mail. This is what he had to say. They have a money back guarantee so it wouldnt hurt to try it.
Hello Goran,
Thank you for your interest in the e-RAM Electric Supercharger, and
we apologize for the delay in getting back to you, but we wanted to
provide
you with a thorough overview of the potential of an e-RAM on the 4.6L
Mustang.
The e-RAM definitely provides best % HP gains on the smaller engines
(average of 5% throughout the RPM range). This is because the e-RAM
provides pressure based on the differential in air-flow from what the
e-RAM
is trying to flow (1000 cfm) vs. what the engine is trying to take in
(4.6L
= roughly 450cfm at 6000 rpm and full-throttle). From our experience,
we
estimate that as long as the flow differential is at least 2.5:1, the
e-RAM
provides useable boost (400cfm being the point where the pressure
generated
by the e-RAM is reduced by a significant amount. Engines between 4.5L
and
5.0L are in the "gray area" where some engines may need two e-RAMs in
parallel in order to get the same gains as a single e-RAM on smaller
engines. We use two e-RAM-INLINE units mounted in parallel on our
Porsche
928 S4 Speed GT World Challenge race car, which has a 5.4L V8 w/ 4
valves
per cylinder. Those dynos are on our site. We also placed two
e-RAM-INLINE
units in parallel on a Dodge Viper 8.0L V10 and got an additional 25HP
(dyno
results reported by customer, no dyno copy available).
With that said, We had a customer from a Mustang Bullit group go
through a
series of dyno tests on his car (in his home town) so we could get some
idea
what gains we could expect. Unfortunately, since we were not present,
there
were a few things that were not done during the installation that are
required in order to get full gains from the e-RAM. One was to
disconnect
the battery for over 30 seconds to re-set the ECU so it will
re-calibrate
for the additional air-flow seen at full-throttle. The other was to
plug
the oil vent return tube to assure that all pressure generated does not
escape out of the oil vent return tube just leaking the generated boost
into
the crankcase. The third thing was that the customer had recently
gotten a
Superchips ECU chip install with custom tuning, and was experiencing
pinging
(detonation) in the cylinders, so the additional air added to the
combustion
chamber by the e-RAM probably wasn't accommodated for properly with the
appropriate amount of fuel, or the correct timing adjustments. The
fourth
thing we noticed was that the Bullit has an oval 4"x3" throttle-body
and the
engine produces more base HP than the other Mustang models. The GT has
a
smaller round 3" throttle-body and lower baseline HP. Not sure if this
last
item negatively effected the results, but it should have been
inconsequential to the outcome of the tests. Bottom line, we only saw
3 to
4 HP gain throughout the RPM range on the Bullit, and so we are now
waiting
for another opportunity to run a dyno on another 4.6L Mustang (GT
preferable).
Based on our experience, the e-RAM should provide at least 10HP, and
potentially 12 HP on the 4.6L Mustang. Since we offer a money-back
guarantee, we are hoping that someone who already has plans to go to
the
dyno, will do so with our product so we can get some concrete results.
The 4.6L Mustang engines incorporate many engine management sensors
scattered throughout the stock intake of all Mustang models (GT,
Bullitt,
Cobra, SVT). Mounting the e-RAM becomes easier when the engine already
has
an aftermarket intake tube attached.
Since you already have an intake tube installed, we recommend mounting
the
e-RAM-INLINE-3-3 in place of a section of intake tube between the
mass-flow
sensor and the throttle-body. Also, if there is an "oil-breather
return
tube attached to the intake right next to the throttle-body, that will
have
to be plugged, as it allows pressure to escape. The e-RAM (or Super
e-RAM)
unit needs to be in this location to ensure that the e-RAM does not
adversely effect the feedback coming from the Mass-Flow sensor (and
others)
back to the computer for Air-Fuel ratio management. It is the ability
of
the computer to properly match the additional air-density with the
appropriate additional fuel and proper timing that provides the hp
gains.
Hope this helps -
Regards,
Mike Kibort
e-Racing Motorsports, LLC.
www.electricsupercharger.com/
"Prove it at the track"
Hello Goran,
Thank you for your interest in the e-RAM Electric Supercharger, and
we apologize for the delay in getting back to you, but we wanted to
provide
you with a thorough overview of the potential of an e-RAM on the 4.6L
Mustang.
The e-RAM definitely provides best % HP gains on the smaller engines
(average of 5% throughout the RPM range). This is because the e-RAM
provides pressure based on the differential in air-flow from what the
e-RAM
is trying to flow (1000 cfm) vs. what the engine is trying to take in
(4.6L
= roughly 450cfm at 6000 rpm and full-throttle). From our experience,
we
estimate that as long as the flow differential is at least 2.5:1, the
e-RAM
provides useable boost (400cfm being the point where the pressure
generated
by the e-RAM is reduced by a significant amount. Engines between 4.5L
and
5.0L are in the "gray area" where some engines may need two e-RAMs in
parallel in order to get the same gains as a single e-RAM on smaller
engines. We use two e-RAM-INLINE units mounted in parallel on our
Porsche
928 S4 Speed GT World Challenge race car, which has a 5.4L V8 w/ 4
valves
per cylinder. Those dynos are on our site. We also placed two
e-RAM-INLINE
units in parallel on a Dodge Viper 8.0L V10 and got an additional 25HP
(dyno
results reported by customer, no dyno copy available).
With that said, We had a customer from a Mustang Bullit group go
through a
series of dyno tests on his car (in his home town) so we could get some
idea
what gains we could expect. Unfortunately, since we were not present,
there
were a few things that were not done during the installation that are
required in order to get full gains from the e-RAM. One was to
disconnect
the battery for over 30 seconds to re-set the ECU so it will
re-calibrate
for the additional air-flow seen at full-throttle. The other was to
plug
the oil vent return tube to assure that all pressure generated does not
escape out of the oil vent return tube just leaking the generated boost
into
the crankcase. The third thing was that the customer had recently
gotten a
Superchips ECU chip install with custom tuning, and was experiencing
pinging
(detonation) in the cylinders, so the additional air added to the
combustion
chamber by the e-RAM probably wasn't accommodated for properly with the
appropriate amount of fuel, or the correct timing adjustments. The
fourth
thing we noticed was that the Bullit has an oval 4"x3" throttle-body
and the
engine produces more base HP than the other Mustang models. The GT has
a
smaller round 3" throttle-body and lower baseline HP. Not sure if this
last
item negatively effected the results, but it should have been
inconsequential to the outcome of the tests. Bottom line, we only saw
3 to
4 HP gain throughout the RPM range on the Bullit, and so we are now
waiting
for another opportunity to run a dyno on another 4.6L Mustang (GT
preferable).
Based on our experience, the e-RAM should provide at least 10HP, and
potentially 12 HP on the 4.6L Mustang. Since we offer a money-back
guarantee, we are hoping that someone who already has plans to go to
the
dyno, will do so with our product so we can get some concrete results.
The 4.6L Mustang engines incorporate many engine management sensors
scattered throughout the stock intake of all Mustang models (GT,
Bullitt,
Cobra, SVT). Mounting the e-RAM becomes easier when the engine already
has
an aftermarket intake tube attached.
Since you already have an intake tube installed, we recommend mounting
the
e-RAM-INLINE-3-3 in place of a section of intake tube between the
mass-flow
sensor and the throttle-body. Also, if there is an "oil-breather
return
tube attached to the intake right next to the throttle-body, that will
have
to be plugged, as it allows pressure to escape. The e-RAM (or Super
e-RAM)
unit needs to be in this location to ensure that the e-RAM does not
adversely effect the feedback coming from the Mass-Flow sensor (and
others)
back to the computer for Air-Fuel ratio management. It is the ability
of
the computer to properly match the additional air-density with the
appropriate additional fuel and proper timing that provides the hp
gains.
Hope this helps -
Regards,
Mike Kibort
e-Racing Motorsports, LLC.
www.electricsupercharger.com/
"Prove it at the track"
#14
RE: Dyno proven electric S/C
ORIGINAL: ONE BAD GT
www.electricsupercharger.com There are lots of testimonials about it working but most of the cars are imports. I wonder if it would work on our engines.
www.electricsupercharger.com There are lots of testimonials about it working but most of the cars are imports. I wonder if it would work on our engines.
If you like the idea of a tiny plastic fan blade entering your engine at high speed go right ahead and try it
#17
RE: Dyno proven electric S/C
ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6
I'd let them dyno my car with it on there!
DUDE!! Your car just sucked our supercharger into the engine. You're moving enough air!
I'd let them dyno my car with it on there!
DUDE!! Your car just sucked our supercharger into the engine. You're moving enough air!
#20
RE: Dyno proven electric S/C
It doesn't work at all. Someone came on here a LONG time ago and had the math to prove it that it wouldnt work with the type of fan that they use, and the CFM etc.
It simply cannot provide enough output.
It simply cannot provide enough output.
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