4.6L (1996-2004 Modular) Mustang Technical discussions on 1996-2004 4.6 Liter Modular Motors (2V and 4V) within.

2v 4v compression question

Old 07-19-2007, 02:43 PM
  #1  
Sxynerd
6th Gear Member
Thread Starter
 
Sxynerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,786
Default 2v 4v compression question

A friend has just completed a forged short block 2v and has a chance to get a blown (as in broke) 99 cobra motor for almost free. I know we can physicaly swap the short blocks but will this increase or decrease the compression of the engine with the different heads and short block that was made for a 2v?
Sxynerd is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 02:45 PM
  #2  
Sxynerd
6th Gear Member
Thread Starter
 
Sxynerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,786
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

everything would be included that would be needed for the swap... just to make it clear, I know how some of you get! lol
Sxynerd is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 03:15 PM
  #3  
ASUSMC
4th Gear Member
 
ASUSMC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,409
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

DECREASE. 2V's with the same pistons have a higher compression ratio.
ASUSMC is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 03:24 PM
  #4  
01Steed
I ♥ Acer
 
01Steed's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location:
Posts: 151
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

My question would be, "why would youchoose the '99 motor over a forged shortblock?"

Also, without knowing what the forged piston's dish size is, no one can tell you whether it will increase or decrease the c/r.
Your post is kinda confusing. Is it your friend's intention to swap the short blocks? If so, assuming his forged pistons are of stock dish volume (or even close), his c/r will INCREASE if he installs 2V heads on the cobra block. The 4V block has smaller dish volumes than the typical 2V (PI).
01Steed is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 07:56 PM
  #5  
Sxynerd
6th Gear Member
Thread Starter
 
Sxynerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,786
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

I don't think it's confusing... I'll break it down third grade style.

I have a new PI shortblock with the same specs as a 01 2v. I also have a 99 cobra motor that the bottom end went boom. When we take the cobra heads and "stuff" and put them on the short block. Will it increase or decrease the compression?

Whats hard about that?
Sxynerd is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 07:57 PM
  #6  
Sxynerd
6th Gear Member
Thread Starter
 
Sxynerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,786
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

ORIGINAL: ASUSMC

DECREASE. 2V's with the same pistons have a higher compression ratio.
Does anyone know any numbers? If it decreased then this might be better for pump gas/high boost aplication, wouldn't it?
Sxynerd is offline  
Old 07-19-2007, 08:31 PM
  #7  
adam_ferguson
2nd Gear Member
 
adam_ferguson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location:
Posts: 210
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

well if it decreases of course it will be better for a f/i application. the more shallow the dish volume the higher your compression will be. you need to look up and find what the depth is on the stock piston on the 99 block .
adam_ferguson is offline  
Old 07-20-2007, 07:50 AM
  #8  
01Steed
I ♥ Acer
 
01Steed's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location:
Posts: 151
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

Nah, you don't need that. His 15.8 cc 2V piston ('01 spec) coupled with the 51 cc chamber volume will net him 8.6:1 c/r or so.

Your original post confused me because you had mentioned "swapping short blocks". You don't have to be condescending with me. I'm not a third grader. I just honestly had trouble sorting out what it is you wanted to know. My bad. And if I've mistook your tone, my bad again.

If you want, I can send you an Excel spreadsheet that breaks it all down for you. You just enter either your desired c/r or your piston/chamber volumes, and it does the math for you. It has all of the factors already plugged in. We use it all the time here at work.
01Steed is offline  
Old 07-20-2007, 07:58 AM
  #9  
Sxynerd
6th Gear Member
Thread Starter
 
Sxynerd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,786
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

My apologies, my GF pissed me off and I had my panties up in a bunch... Sorry.

With that low of compression would that affect low end power (before boost) at all or would it be not enough to really notice? He'll be running about 20PSI from a Vortech.
Sxynerd is offline  
Old 07-20-2007, 08:26 AM
  #10  
01Steed
I ♥ Acer
 
01Steed's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location:
Posts: 151
Default RE: 2v 4v compression question

Hey, no prob! I know how that cookie crumbles.

Well, theoretically he'd be losing some low end power, but like you said, with that much boost I don't think he'll be missing anything, LOL! He'll prolly develop some boost (translated into low vacuum) down low anyway with an impellerasaggressive as that would have to be.

That thing is going to scream!! Be sure he upgrades his valve springs, uses ARP head studs, and good gaskets!
01Steed is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Dokilar
4.6L (1996-2004 Modular) Mustang
15
10-16-2015 08:13 PM
AMAlexLazarus
AmericanMuscle.com
3
10-02-2015 08:06 AM
uedlose
The Racers Bench
4
10-01-2015 08:31 PM
AMAlexLazarus
AmericanMuscle.com
0
10-01-2015 10:29 AM
AMAlexLazarus
AmericanMuscle.com
0
10-01-2015 09:21 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: 2v 4v compression question



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:51 AM.