checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
02-15-2008, 12:10 AM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
Forget the weight. Where are you going to find parts for it?
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
02-15-2008, 06:20 AM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
I think it would be freaking awesome. Sure there are cons to it but it would be wicked at a car show.
Can you imaginepulling into a parking lot full of ricers. They will come over (you know they will) to tell you about how their civic with the R2D2 spec VIIIIIIIIIIIII engine can annihilate you. You would just smile, lift the hood and say "really??......ever take a V10?"
That would be priceless.Anyway, enough dreaming..............
Those engines can be had. They aren't very plentiful but they are out there to be had.
Plenty of F-250/350 pick ups had them and they are widely used in the cube vans and motorhomes.
Can you imaginepulling into a parking lot full of ricers. They will come over (you know they will) to tell you about how their civic with the R2D2 spec VIIIIIIIIIIIII engine can annihilate you. You would just smile, lift the hood and say "really??......ever take a V10?"
That would be priceless.Anyway, enough dreaming..............
Those engines can be had. They aren't very plentiful but they are out there to be had.
Plenty of F-250/350 pick ups had them and they are widely used in the cube vans and motorhomes.
02-15-2008, 08:29 AM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
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For the cost/gas mileage/practicality of the project, it's not a very good idea at all.
Especially for a single person. Maybe someone with a load of cash, or a sort of project car. But that would certainly be about it.
For the cost/gas mileage/practicality of the project, it's not a very good idea at all.
Especially for a single person. Maybe someone with a load of cash, or a sort of project car. But that would certainly be about it.
02-15-2008, 08:39 AM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
well that was like you said a mule, this is not a production engine. there are companies that will custom grind cams for you, heads no after market for it, headers there are a couple sites out there. as far as the k member goes, the mounting points are the same on the 6.8 as they are on the 5.4l, also the v10 has the same bore and stroke as the 5.4.....the engines you can get (non mule) are a waste of money.
02-15-2008, 09:13 AM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
like I said, how you going to get cams/cranks/intakes etc etc for a V10? Nobody makes cam blanks for a V10 mod motor so your going to need a reground etc etc.
Its a great idea, but no aftermarket support means its doomed to failure unless you want a stock V10 for the novelty.
Its a great idea, but no aftermarket support means its doomed to failure unless you want a stock V10 for the novelty.
02-15-2008, 07:19 PM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
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Forget the weight. Where are you going to find parts for it?
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
Forget the weight. Where are you going to find parts for it?
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
02-15-2008, 10:23 PM
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RE: checked out the V10 mule....anyone done this?
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i believe the v10 is a 6.8 which clocks in at around a 411, and i would imagine that since most 5.4 cranks are forged even in 2v trim, then the v10 crank would also be forged as it would generally be built for vehicles with more load.
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Forget the weight. Where are you going to find parts for it?
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
Forget the weight. Where are you going to find parts for it?
Who is going to grind you a V10 camshaft? V10 intake manifolds? How about a new forged crank? Forget it.
Talking MAJOR expense to do anything but have a stock V10 truck motor in your car. The only thing that you could do easily would be to get the heads ported and worked...and I bet even that would be pricey. IF you could get aftermarket parts for around the same price as 4.6 stuff it would be worth it.. but I don't think thats ever going to happen.
IMO if you could get the parts it would more than make up for the added weight by making more power. The mule car was nothingmore thanthe mustang 4.6 with another 2 cylindersadded. Several magazines did storys on the car, and from what I remeber they took two casts for mustang specific heads, cut and pasted them together. and madethe V10 cast.
Surely adding another 1/4 to the overall displacement would more than make up for the added weight, your talking a 351 CI engine. Not only would it have more displacement, but going to a V10 means that it still has the same CFMflow per CI as a281 V8.A V10 351 should vastly outperform a V8 351 with the same basic heads, and regardless you cannot stroke/bore a4.6 to that size anyway.
Somehow, the engine definatly fits. The video was of a 99-early 01 after all. Not only is it driving, but driving hard, so they must have made some sort of K member to fit... but once again good luck finding one.
But the V10 in the test mule was not a 411. The mule was nothing more than a 4.6L 2v (I think it was 2v anyway) with 2 extra cyilnders added by splicing together two different head/block/crank etc casts.
So far as the 6.8, its a totally different animal, but ditto for finding parts etc for them.