View Poll Results: Should I get the Commando?
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Sniper Commando, Yes or No
05-19-2009, 12:27 PM
#21
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Location: Virginia
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Guys, there is NO rocket science here, the fundamental principles of a 4-stroke engine are easy--suck, squeeze, bang, blow--everything else is just refinement of those actions.
Even those who "...know what they are doing..." were not born knowing how to tune an engine--they started out like the rest of us crapping in their diapers, and not knowing squat about engine tuning.
Get Greg's book, read it, ask questions, take things easy at first, and learn as you go. Contrary to what the government schools have fed you it is entirely possible for someone to learn something without being taught by someone else.
Even those who "...know what they are doing..." were not born knowing how to tune an engine--they started out like the rest of us crapping in their diapers, and not knowing squat about engine tuning.
Get Greg's book, read it, ask questions, take things easy at first, and learn as you go. Contrary to what the government schools have fed you it is entirely possible for someone to learn something without being taught by someone else.
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05-19-2009, 01:21 PM
#22
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: tn
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Guys, there is NO rocket science here, the fundamental principles of a 4-stroke engine are easy--suck, squeeze, bang, blow--everything else is just refinement of those actions.
Even those who "...know what they are doing..." were not born knowing how to tune an engine--they started out like the rest of us crapping in their diapers, and not knowing squat about engine tuning.
Get Greg's book, read it, ask questions, take things easy at first, and learn as you go. Contrary to what the government schools have fed you it is entirely possible for someone to learn something without being taught by someone else.
Even those who "...know what they are doing..." were not born knowing how to tune an engine--they started out like the rest of us crapping in their diapers, and not knowing squat about engine tuning.
Get Greg's book, read it, ask questions, take things easy at first, and learn as you go. Contrary to what the government schools have fed you it is entirely possible for someone to learn something without being taught by someone else.
Any monkey can tune a NA car, hell I let my son write the tune for my wifes last mustang. When you get to big power cars it's alot different.
I know all the fundimentals of tuning a FI car like what the a/f ratio should be, how to increase timing and how to get a cammed car to idle. But there is alot more that needs to be adjusted that I just don't know to keep driveability like maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps to let the computer know what to do at what temp.
Again for the safety of his car I suggest Bob do it for him.
05-19-2009, 05:25 PM
#23
TECH SAVANT
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Saint Augustine, FL
Posts: 10,938
Get yourself a heavily modified car like mine or sxynerd and try to tune it yourself. It's much easier to just pay someone then spend money on software and risk destroying all the money and time you put into the car.
Any monkey can tune a NA car, hell I let my son write the tune for my wifes last mustang. When you get to big power cars it's alot different.
I know all the fundimentals of tuning a FI car like what the a/f ratio should be, how to increase timing and how to get a cammed car to idle. But there is alot more that needs to be adjusted that I just don't know to keep driveability like maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps to let the computer know what to do at what temp.
Again for the safety of his car I suggest Bob do it for him.
Any monkey can tune a NA car, hell I let my son write the tune for my wifes last mustang. When you get to big power cars it's alot different.
I know all the fundimentals of tuning a FI car like what the a/f ratio should be, how to increase timing and how to get a cammed car to idle. But there is alot more that needs to be adjusted that I just don't know to keep driveability like maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps to let the computer know what to do at what temp.
Again for the safety of his car I suggest Bob do it for him.
I tuned my s/c Miatas, running 12-15 psi, by myself--starting out not knowing diddly about it, and ended up getting over 242HP out of 1.6L (the equivalent of 695HP out of 4.6L) with a coldside M62 Eaton.
No one was born with a full understanding of things like "maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps", etc.*; they learned those things--the fact that you and your monkey have chosen not to learn these things does not mean that others cannot or do not care to.
As I said earlier, there is NO rocket science here, The "wizards" like to keep you thinking there is, the truth is there is NOT...
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* - BTW all of these are explained in detail in Greg Banish's book, as long as you can read at an 8th grade level or better you should be OK.
05-19-2009, 05:36 PM
#24
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: tn
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Ok fine sxynerd if you want your car down for another few months while you figure out and learn how to tune then listen to cliffy. But if you want to drive your car in the next week or so then go to Bob. Either way it will cost the same to get the tuning software or to get tuned.
05-19-2009, 05:59 PM
#25
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 10,551
Horse crap...
I tuned my s/c Miatas, running 12-15 psi, by myself--starting out not knowing diddly about it, and ended up getting over 242HP out of 1.6L (the equivalent of 695HP out of 4.6L) with a coldside M62 Eaton.
No one was born with a full understanding of things like "maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps", etc.*; they learned those things--the fact that you and your monkey have chosen not to learn these things does not mean that others cannot or do not care to.
As I said earlier, there is NO rocket science here, The "wizards" like to keep you thinking there is, the truth is there is NOT...
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* - BTW all of these are explained in detail in Greg Banish's book, as long as you can read at an 8th grade level or better you should be OK.
I tuned my s/c Miatas, running 12-15 psi, by myself--starting out not knowing diddly about it, and ended up getting over 242HP out of 1.6L (the equivalent of 695HP out of 4.6L) with a coldside M62 Eaton.
No one was born with a full understanding of things like "maf counts, iac function, a/f at load, fuel at tps and spark at tps along with setting the ect temps", etc.*; they learned those things--the fact that you and your monkey have chosen not to learn these things does not mean that others cannot or do not care to.
As I said earlier, there is NO rocket science here, The "wizards" like to keep you thinking there is, the truth is there is NOT...
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* - BTW all of these are explained in detail in Greg Banish's book, as long as you can read at an 8th grade level or better you should be OK.
05-19-2009, 06:00 PM
#26
TECH SAVANT
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Saint Augustine, FL
Posts: 10,938
Ok fine sxynerd if you want your car down for another few months while you figure out and learn how to tune then listen to cliffy. But if you want to drive your car in the next week or so then go to Bob. Either way it will cost the same to get the tuning software or to get tuned.
05-19-2009, 06:09 PM
#27
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,731
well if it comes with the SF which allows you to import a base tune into the Cammando, and then use that to figure out the rest of the tune, I say go commando
I think using a base tune, something that will be overly safe, it can be pretty easy to tune yourself.
I know it sounds reduntant, but if I can do it, you can do it mike.
I'm not all that familiar with sniper, but it sounds like if you can use the Special Forces to create a base that you can then modify, I think that you can easily tune your car correctly.
I think using a base tune, something that will be overly safe, it can be pretty easy to tune yourself.
I know it sounds reduntant, but if I can do it, you can do it mike.
I'm not all that familiar with sniper, but it sounds like if you can use the Special Forces to create a base that you can then modify, I think that you can easily tune your car correctly.
05-19-2009, 07:12 PM
#29
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 2,402
I agree with Ox all that money does not make sense to test out your skills. However, with the discount price with Commando it is a no brainer to buy it. I am going with Commando and doing base tune in SF then transfering it to the Commando prior to a professional dyno tune so they can tune it for me.
Who knows maybe someday I would use the Commando features myself but i could not bear it I blew another engine. My shop said they prefer SCT but can tune with SF and Commando as well. Since this is my second hand held tuner, my thought was to go for all the functionality.
Who knows maybe someday I would use the Commando features myself but i could not bear it I blew another engine. My shop said they prefer SCT but can tune with SF and Commando as well. Since this is my second hand held tuner, my thought was to go for all the functionality.
