whats next, i need power
08-24-2011, 07:42 AM
#1
whats next, i need power
OK, I have just begun to modify this car. I have: jlt c.a.I.., upr o/r x, steeds u/d pulleys, sss adrenaline axle back, Hurst short throw, frpp Shorties, and tied together with a bama tune. My 4.10s will be here tomorrow. Lowering springs and stage 1 clutch, 255/35/20 nitto 555 and few cosmetics. Now, here is problem. It is still too WEAK! I need power. What do I do next? Maybe intake Manifold with cams and throttle body? Or charge motion delete? Or do I start saving for forced induction? Do I need to build bottom end first? My goal is 450 horse with a coilover, built, suspension with all the goodies. Once again a greenhorn thanks you.
08-24-2011, 07:39 PM
#3
3rd Gear Member
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FI is the expensive route but in the long run is the best idea. Nitrous is the cheapest answer but eventually will cost more than FI after so many refills on the bottle & god help ya if you lean the motor out & blow it. I personally love nitrous. I just choose to employ ALL options for it though to maintain safety. To be fair though, FI can just as easily blow the motor up as well. Your other bolt ons you mentioned will not give that much more power. Even combining the CMDP's,Cams & Manifold all together will see a noticable differance but you will not see 450 rwhp on bolt ons alone. Its been tried by numerous folks & the best results are typicaly around 380 rwhp. Hope this helps ya out! Have fun with the car!
08-24-2011, 08:18 PM
#4
The Paranoid One
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,320
You are to the point where the other little mods are'nt going to do a lot for you.
You need to be thinking about Cams, or going forced induction with a supercharger or turbo. I dont' ever say nitrous. I am one of those that HATE it.
I would rather have a mod that is there working all the time and not have to be buying bottles.
If you don't want to shell out 7k, I would get some cams and a set of
long tubes and a mid pipe.
This will net you about 40RWHP, which for the money is a pretty good
amount of power.
I would skip the manifold. Not worth the money in my opinion, and you REALLY lose low end power with it.
Some people say they lose a LITTLE low end with cams but if you get the car tuned good you will not.
We had 0 loss of trq or HP with the Hot Rods.
Superchargers are a blast to have but if you don't have the cash cams are
AWESOME and man are they a BLAST to have in the car!
You get the power, the awesome lope sound, and that shake of the car you get with them
is so friggin' badass I can't really describe it. When we had the 06GT we modded it out.
Our FAVORITE mod to the car was the cams by FAR.
They just made the car so much MEANER and like I said they were a BLAST to drive with!
You need to be thinking about Cams, or going forced induction with a supercharger or turbo. I dont' ever say nitrous. I am one of those that HATE it.
I would rather have a mod that is there working all the time and not have to be buying bottles.
If you don't want to shell out 7k, I would get some cams and a set of
long tubes and a mid pipe.
This will net you about 40RWHP, which for the money is a pretty good
amount of power.
I would skip the manifold. Not worth the money in my opinion, and you REALLY lose low end power with it.
Some people say they lose a LITTLE low end with cams but if you get the car tuned good you will not.
We had 0 loss of trq or HP with the Hot Rods.
Superchargers are a blast to have but if you don't have the cash cams are
AWESOME and man are they a BLAST to have in the car!
You get the power, the awesome lope sound, and that shake of the car you get with them
is so friggin' badass I can't really describe it. When we had the 06GT we modded it out.
Our FAVORITE mod to the car was the cams by FAR.
They just made the car so much MEANER and like I said they were a BLAST to drive with!
Last edited by Blacksmoke; 08-24-2011 at 08:23 PM.
08-24-2011, 11:29 PM
#5
5th Gear Member
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Location: Maui
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Forget everything and just go FI. If you want 400+ HP, dont waste your money on anything but a supercharger. Hate to break it to you to, but those 20's are killing you dude. Too heavy, to much wheel to turn over steals your power.
08-25-2011, 05:49 AM
#6
I know how limited bolt one are as far as HP. I only mentioned my ultimate power goal because it always helps to understand where we are going to justify the means. Still undecided on what type of forced induction but know it is necessary for the gains I want. However, what I don't know is what bolt one will yield the most in the meantime. Or, what my car needs to handle the eventual power. When I bolt on a SC, I don't want to be forced to put pistons or heads or came or something at the same time. I want to do all the smaller stuff first so when I save 7k$, I just bolt it up and drop the hammer. PS, a greenhorn is a newbie.
08-29-2011, 09:16 AM
#7
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 479
I know how limited bolt one are as far as HP. I only mentioned my ultimate power goal because it always helps to understand where we are going to justify the means. Still undecided on what type of forced induction but know it is necessary for the gains I want. However, what I don't know is what bolt one will yield the most in the meantime. Or, what my car needs to handle the eventual power. When I bolt on a SC, I don't want to be forced to put pistons or heads or came or something at the same time. I want to do all the smaller stuff first so when I save 7k$, I just bolt it up and drop the hammer. PS, a greenhorn is a newbie.
08-29-2011, 09:34 AM
#8
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: IN
Posts: 2,248
FI is what u want. If you want 450 then I believe the m90 may get you there if not then you can always get a saleen or KB or Edelbrock systems. First question should be do you have high flow cats or no cats. If you ever go with cats you will want metallic high flow cats. I do believe your udp's are gonna be worthless if you fi. Let us know what application you decide on.
08-29-2011, 03:35 PM
#10
For the most part, yes. I know at least Brenspeed though can do some pulley changes on the the supercharger to negate the UDP (i.e. go to one that would normally give you 12 and you end up with 10). That was one of the options we talked about when I was looking to slow the blower down a bit.