grinding 2nd
#21
RE: grinding 2nd
ORIGINAL: Liquid_02
Nah, I drove a Sunbird once (I work at a shop) so I didn't even know the car and i was messin around with it and never used the clutch, didn't grind once. All you have to do is learn your RPM to speed ratio. For instance, say at 3000rpm in second you're goin 35, just put it into neutral, bring the RPMs up to roughly 3000rpm when you're rollin at 35 and slide it into 2nd, shifts soft like an automatic if you shift that way. (all without touching the clutch pedal of course) This method is good if you have a snapped clutch cable, did it in a 4cyl mustang that I owned aha, all i did was depressed the clutch and hit the starter to get it rolling and gave it some gas and off she went aha
ORIGINAL: 89regattaLX
dude I'd grind every gear that way
dude I'd grind every gear that way
#22
RE: grinding 2nd
You are correct about not using the clutch will not wear on it, but you are still using the syncronizers. In fact you are being harder on them and the sliders without the clutch. Releasing the clutch takes power off the transmission to allow the blocker ring to slow down or speed up the speed gear easier. All you are doing is making the syncronizers job harder because now it's still under power. Sure it can be done, but it's hard on parts that are already worn out. You'd be better off to double clutch or skip it all together.
#23
RE: grinding 2nd
ORIGINAL: 88stangaruu
That just sounds like a helluva lot of work to shift, why not just granny shift? I can understand the broken clutch cable, but still, i say double clutch it. Once you learn to do it, you can do it really fast, but this is the only real practical application of double clutching...there is no advantage in driving while double clutching other than keeping the tranny from grinding when a syncro is gone.
ORIGINAL: Liquid_02
Nah, I drove a Sunbird once (I work at a shop) so I didn't even know the car and i was messin around with it and never used the clutch, didn't grind once. All you have to do is learn your RPM to speed ratio. For instance, say at 3000rpm in second you're goin 35, just put it into neutral, bring the RPMs up to roughly 3000rpm when you're rollin at 35 and slide it into 2nd, shifts soft like an automatic if you shift that way. (all without touching the clutch pedal of course) This method is good if you have a snapped clutch cable, did it in a 4cyl mustang that I owned aha, all i did was depressed the clutch and hit the starter to get it rolling and gave it some gas and off she went aha
ORIGINAL: 89regattaLX
dude I'd grind every gear that way
dude I'd grind every gear that way
#24
RE: grinding 2nd
ORIGINAL: 92GreyGT
You are correct about not using the clutch will not wear on it, but you are still using the syncronizers. In fact you are being harder on them and the sliders without the clutch. Releasing the clutch takes power off the transmission to allow the blocker ring to slow down or speed up the speed gear easier. All you are doing is making the syncronizers job harder because now it's still under power. Sure it can be done, but it's hard on parts that are already worn out. You'd be better off to double clutch or skip it all together.
You are correct about not using the clutch will not wear on it, but you are still using the syncronizers. In fact you are being harder on them and the sliders without the clutch. Releasing the clutch takes power off the transmission to allow the blocker ring to slow down or speed up the speed gear easier. All you are doing is making the syncronizers job harder because now it's still under power. Sure it can be done, but it's hard on parts that are already worn out. You'd be better off to double clutch or skip it all together.
#25
RE: grinding 2nd
ORIGINAL: Liquid_02
Nah, I drove a Sunbird once (I work at a shop) so I didn't even know the car and i was messin around with it and never used the clutch, didn't grind once. All you have to do is learn your RPM to speed ratio. For instance, say at 3000rpm in second you're goin 35, just put it into neutral, bring the RPMs up to roughly 3000rpm when you're rollin at 35 and slide it into 2nd, shifts soft like an automatic if you shift that way. (all without touching the clutch pedal of course) This method is good if you have a snapped clutch cable, did it in a 4cyl mustang that I owned aha, all i did was depressed the clutch and hit the starter to get it rolling and gave it some gas and off she went aha
ORIGINAL: 89regattaLX
dude I'd grind every gear that way
dude I'd grind every gear that way
#26
RE: grinding 2nd
ORIGINAL: 89regattaLX
so all you have to do is keep the rpm's in the same spot when you're shifting?
ORIGINAL: Liquid_02
Nah, I drove a Sunbird once (I work at a shop) so I didn't even know the car and i was messin around with it and never used the clutch, didn't grind once. All you have to do is learn your RPM to speed ratio. For instance, say at 3000rpm in second you're goin 35, just put it into neutral, bring the RPMs up to roughly 3000rpm when you're rollin at 35 and slide it into 2nd, shifts soft like an automatic if you shift that way. (all without touching the clutch pedal of course) This method is good if you have a snapped clutch cable, did it in a 4cyl mustang that I owned aha, all i did was depressed the clutch and hit the starter to get it rolling and gave it some gas and off she went aha
ORIGINAL: 89regattaLX
dude I'd grind every gear that way
dude I'd grind every gear that way
#27
RE: grinding 2nd
im gonna go ahead and say i dont recommend shifting w. out a clutch. while yes it is do able, and works out good, it still stresses the syncros, more so than using the clutch does. my buddy learned this the hard way, he no longer has 3rd gear in his 02 gt, it grinds that bad. so ill suggest not doing that w. all the gears, if you really "need" to, just do it going into 2nd, seeing that 2nd is allready messed up.
#30
RE: grinding 2nd
i had a similar problem i was going to the beach shifted fine then going into 4th i hear the worst grinding noise ever.... so i push on the clutch shift into 5th fine then we start to come to a light so i down **** grinded again in 4th then in 3rd so i just coasted to a stop and ever time i let the clutch out it grinded even wen it wasnt in gear and 535rwhp doesnt take any stress off the tranny at all.... took to a friends shop dropped the tranny and found out the the pressure plate wasnt releasing wen i let the clutch out which caused the tranny to go and the clutch so now $2300 later i have a beautiful T-5 tremec tranny and a ram clutch in my car and it shift f'in great