AdderMk2

dont bother with a C swap... drop in a W

wildcobrar

A 351 Cleveland swap is simple. I have one in my 90 LX. It has 2V heads(2 venturi and 4V means 4 venturi) and 9.8 to 1 compression. Cheap *** flat solid cam and a good carb with a Parker racing Funnelweb intake. I use a T 5 tranny and it bolts right up to the 351C. I also bought Hedman Hussler hedders for a 351C to Fox chasis and was good to go. Used 5.0 energy suspension mounts and tranny mount. It has13 cc dished pistons with stock rods and crank and theheads have ben ported by a very good head porter. My best on 91 octane pump gas and drive it anywhere I want to go on motor only is 10.74@128. My 1/8th mile is 6.88@102. If you think a Cleveland is a hard install it is not. Oh and just so you know a 351 Windsor is 9.5 inch deck height and a 351 Cleveland is a 9.2 inch deck height. Gues it is a little smaller than a Windsor. But I tell you this, Clevelands are one rippin engine.

Joe

Projectquick

You will need a different bellhousing for the t5 for a 351 and a 302.

projectresto83

No you don't. The bells bolt up to all of it.

wildcobrar

255, 260, 289, 302, 5.0, 351Windsor, 5.8, 351 Cleveland all share the same bell housing pattern and engine mounts. The 300(4.9) and the 240 straight 6 cylinder share the same bell housing pattern as well.

A well thought out Cleveland with the same budget as a Windsor will spank aWindsor any day of the week. Even more so, run stock Windsor heads against stock Cleveland heads and you will lose to the Cleveland. A very old hot rod trick was to put 351 Cleveland 2V heads on a 302 for a 50 HP gain back when you could not by decent aftermarket Windsor heads.

Ever heard of a BOSS 302?? Guess what?? It had 351 Cleveland style4V heads on them. Back in those days 2V meant two venturi(2 barrel carb) and 4V meant 4 Venturi(4 barrel carb)

Joe

AdderMk2

wow... congrats... you know what a "Clevor" is [>:]

FLcracker9

I agree with all you say here, the only thing he needs to be warned about it the 351C 4V heads don't perform well on a street driven car because the valves are too big. For a street/strip car, the 2V heads are a better option. For those of you who were around when the Boss 302 was first introduced, it was hyped up quite a bit, but in reality, it was a pigoff the line. It was designed to compete in the Trans Am road race series, in which it did very well, because it made all of it's power in the upper RPM band,but it was not a great street performer. If this car is being built for track use, throw some tall gearsin it and let that Cleveland scream. If you drive it quite a bit on the street,I'd look for some 2V heads. Just my opinion!

wildcobrar

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i've been debating whether to do h/c/i or just swap a 351 in the ol' pony....i've been hearing the swap aint that hard.....i can get a 351c with 10k miles for $1000!!now i want know how "easy" the swap is and what do i need to modify

THANKS!!



AdderMk2
dont bother with a C swap... drop in a W

wow... congrats... you know what a "Clevor" is

wildcobrar
A 351 Cleveland swap is simple. I have one in my 90 LX. It has 2V heads(2 venturi and 4V means 4 venturi) and 9.8 to 1 compression. Cheap *** flat solid cam and a good carb with a Parker racing Funnelweb intake. I use a T 5 tranny and it bolts right up to the 351C. I also bought Hedman Hussler hedders for a 351C to Fox chasis and was good to go. Used 5.0 energy suspension mounts and tranny mount. It has13 cc dished pistons with stock rods and crank and theheads have ben ported by a very good head porter. My best on 91 octane pump gas and drive it anywhere I want to go on motor only is 10.74@128. My 1/8th mile is 6.88@102. If you think a Cleveland is a hard install it is not. Oh and just so you know a 351 Windsor is 9.5 inch deck height and a 351 Cleveland is a 9.2 inch deck height. Gues it is a little smaller than a Windsor. But I tell you this, Clevelands are one rippin engine.

Joe

255, 260, 289, 302, 5.0, 351Windsor, 5.8, 351 Cleveland all share the same bell housing pattern and engine mounts. The 300(4.9) and the 240 straight 6 cylinder share the same bell housing pattern as well.

A well thought out Cleveland with the same budget as a Windsor will spank aWindsor any day of the week. Even more so, run stock Windsor heads against stock Cleveland heads and you will lose to the Cleveland. A very old hot rod trick was to put 351 Cleveland 2V heads on a 302 for a 50 HP gain back when you could not by decent aftermarket Windsor heads.

Ever heard of a BOSS 302?? Guess what?? It had 351 Cleveland style4V heads on them. Back in those days 2V meant two venturi(2 barrel carb) and 4V meant 4 Venturi(4 barrel carb)

Joe

The original poster asked about doing the swap. He has a line on an engine that can make great power with minimal investment.

AdderMk2, you have had nothing in your posts to even give the person asking the question about the swap any real solid information as to why he should drop in a W as you state. For the sake of sharing information(what this forum is about)why should the original poster swap in a W?

projectresto83

Lol, you might want to charm that snake there wild. Adder will open a can of whoop ***. And a windsor motor would be better and cheaper for street use over all. UNLESS he already has it all.

wildcobrar

The only reason I ask is because I have a Cleveland in my 90 LX hatch that is driven extensively on the street. It has stock rods and crank with factory heads that are ported. The stuff needed to drop it in the fox chassis is no different then what is needed to drop in the windsor. Now, he can buy a 4V Cleveland for $1000.00. Now that engine with the stock heads and the right choices of parts can make a streetable 400 to 450 HP with stock stroke and be a Blast to drive and run very hard without a power adder. It can be built on a very low budget.

I havenever had my junk on a dyno(engine or Chassis) but I know what my car weighs and I know my MPH. I feel that a 351 cubic inch set up with no power adder that can run 128 MPH on 9.8 to 1 compression and 91octane fuel with factory heads that are ported ispretty good. I built the engine 5 years ago andit still runs great and much the same today as itdid when I first built it. My only regret was not doing the 4V heads. I used 2V heads. The 4V heads can flow 330/340 CFMwith the right person woking them and make wicked power. I did a 393 Cleveland with 4V heads done to flow those numbersin a 1970 Cyclone Spoiler for a client of mine and that street car is one crazy ride. The Cleveland haslighter rods, pistons, and crank then the Windsor plus it has a smaller main bearing journal size which helps keep bearing speed down. And again, the 4V heads in non ported for with the right cam choice will make 400 to 450 HP. Not bad for factory heads. The Windsor did come with GT 40 irons in some vehicles but I think it would be a hard thing to do to get 400 to 450 HP out of those heads. Unless I am forgetting something, I think those were the best factory Windsor head available.

Joe