Weight removal???
01-25-2009, 07:50 PM
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Weight removal???
Ok i have gotten the 87 down to basics again waiting for the 408 to be completed. My question is what else can i do to relieve her of extra pounds. The interior is completely gutted. The dash is just the shell. all of the wiring and A/C ducting and everything is gone.
How do you remove weight from the doors without hurting the structural integrity??
Im kinda thinking the next plan is lexan windows and fiberglass parts.
Let me know
How do you remove weight from the doors without hurting the structural integrity??
Im kinda thinking the next plan is lexan windows and fiberglass parts.
Let me know
01-25-2009, 09:05 PM
#2
sounds like you got the majority of it done. i don't know if theres much you can take out of the doors on fox boxes really. i think majority of whats left for you is fiberglass hoods/fenders/hatch with all lexan windows, lighten it right up. have you upgraded to a tubular kmember yet? that sheds a few pounds.
01-25-2009, 10:17 PM
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yea but if he was to get in a wreck its not worth it. if he has a cage with side bars its something to consider
console delete
remove the ebrake with the assembly
remove the sway bars
remove the sound deadening
remove the carpet
racing seats
remove the backseat
get a billet alt bracket
aluminum radiator
remove bumper supports (not for a street cars)
fiberglass parts
remove power steering
tubular k-member kit
console delete
remove the ebrake with the assembly
remove the sway bars
remove the sound deadening
remove the carpet
racing seats
remove the backseat
get a billet alt bracket
aluminum radiator
remove bumper supports (not for a street cars)
fiberglass parts
remove power steering
tubular k-member kit
01-25-2009, 10:21 PM
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The End all to Weight Reduction
Weight - Your basic 5 speed coupe without driver weights 3250lbs. So with an average driver weighing about 180lbs that puts your race weight at 3430lbs. At that weight and a power to weight ratio of .075 you would need 258RWHP to hit 12’s. Power to weight is the power of your car (rear wheel) divided by race weight of the car. Using my car when I broke into the 12’s first time I was making 246RWHP and had a race weight of 3250lb, which worked out to a .075 power to weight ratio or .075RWHP per pound of the car. From what I’ve seen a car can get into the 12s with a .075 to .080 P/W ratio. So if your race weight is 3430lbs then 3430 * .075 = 257.25RWHP. As long as you keep this ratio in the .075 to .080 range you are fine plus keep in mind you can drop weight instead of adding power. An example of this is a car with a 3000lb race weight could break into the 12s with 225RWHP (close to stock power on a GT). –thanks Code3gt
Weight Reduction 101:
Fiberglass or Carbon Fiber (if available)
Hood
Front Bumper
Fenders
Doors
Dash
Trunk lid
Rear bumper
Other Ideas:
Tubular k-member
Tubular A-arms
Coil-overs
Aluminum Block
Aluminum radiator
Aluminum Heads
Aluminum Driveshaft
Aluminum Flywheel
Aluminum underdrive pulleys
Remove smog
Remove front sway bar
Remove Power steering
Remove Inner wheel tubs
Remove Spare tire & Jack
Remove Air Conditioning
Remove Rear Seat
Remove rear seat brace
Remove Sound Deadening In trunk and under rear seat and in Interior panels
Remove Trunk Panels
Remove Black Block around the Driveshaft (a.k.a the "Dogbone")
Remove Strut tower brace
Remove Spoilers
Remove Stereo Equipment
Remove Air box
Remove Center Console
Remove floor mats
Remove rear seat belts
Remove black boxes in rear (which is supposed to help stop the car during a rear end collision)
Remove front/rear bumper foam
Remove Bumper Supports
Remove Quad Shocks
Remove Cruise Control
Remove/ Cut your exhaust off before the rear axle
Remove Fog lights and mounting braces
Remove Radio and accessories
Remove the heater assembly
Remove door supports
Remove e-brake and assembly
Remove power locks and window motors are heavy too
Billet alt bracket
Windshield washing system
Light weight battery (Odyssey makes a 25lbs battery)
Fuel Cell
Light weight Racing Brakes (Aerospace brakes)
Lexan Windows
Lightweight Rear Control Arms
Racing seats Racing Rims *aka Weld Prostars Bogart’s
The black braces behind the rear tires (Inside the fenders) There is a ballast weight bolted to the inner right fender used to dampen cowl shake. (Verts Only)
-Stock mid-pipes and Headers weigh a ton -
Get a Gym Membership
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
Actual Weights:
Stock 302 Shortblock with crank, rods pistons but no cam, no timing chain, no timing, no timing cover and no oil pan was 184.85 pounds.
Stock 302 Bare Block w/ Main Caps, 125.70 LBS
World Class T5 out of 85 SVO, not FULL of fluid but I think it still has some in it 71.55 LBS
Passenger Seat out of 85 SVO, cloth style, with seat track & manual lumber inflators, 44.25 LBS
SVO (might be same or similar to other 79-86 bumper reinforcement?), Steel Bumper Reinforcement, 30.70 LBS
79-90 Fender, no moldings or anything, 13.70 pounds
Front Bumper Mount Shock deals with bolts, 10.75 pounds
Steeda Drag Front Sway Bar for 79-93, has the bushing mounts but no endlinks, 13.30 pounds
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge Head fully assembled with Crane Energizer 1.6 Roller Rockers, no port work, 33.65 pounds, 30.05 pounds bare
E5 Head fully assembled with stock rockers, no port work, 53.85 pounds
Crane Energizer 1.6 RR's with Poly Locks, 7.05 pounds
Stock 87-93 Hood with latch and not much paint, 41.05 pounds
85 SVO Leather E Brake Handle, no hardware, 2.05 pounds
Weighed the center arm rest, 6.90 pounds, the 87-93 center console without the armrest and missing the ash tray door & shifter bezel is 5.45 pounds, 12.35 total with arm rest. Thats including the power mirror switch, ac bezel and radio frame.
SVO Steering Wheel, no leather wrap on the wheel itself, 5.55 pounds
Griffin Circle Track Aluminum Raditor, part number 1-26272-X, 15.45 Pounds
Stock HO Intake, nothing in it but a couple of sensors and the TB studs, 33.15 LB's
Edelbrock Performer 5.0 Intake, bare, 38.90 LB's
Smog Pump with the first part of line to the valve thing, no other piping, 8.45 LB's
Horns, 1.35 LB's
Windshield Wipers, 1.30 LB's
Wiper Arms under cowl panel, 1.85 LB's
Wiper Motor, 3.95 LB's
Cruise Control Canister thing up in the fendor, 2.50 LB's
AC Compressor w/ Small AC Bracket, 18.00 LB's
Cargo Cover, 4.90 LB's
94-95 Factory Strut Tower Brace, no hardware, 7.20 LB's
Factory 92-95 Mini Starter, 7.80 LB's
Harwood 3 Inch Pin On Cowl Hood, 15.70 LBS
Cobra R SVO Bolton Hood, no latch, unknown brand, 29.75 LBS
Insulation in hatch (not including attached to carpet) on 87-93 hatcback car, right at 10 LBS
PA Super Comp C4 w/ SFI Bellhousing, no fluid, 116.8 LBS
Continental 3800 Stall Converter, 30.75 LBS
Some stuff from a 95 GT:
Spare, 19.85 LBS
Jack, 5.75 LBS
Insulation in trunk, 1.70 LBS
Lug Wrench, 1.65 LBS
T56 out of a 93 Z28, probably similar weight to one for a Mustang Im sure, no bellhousing, no fluid, no clutch fork, 119.20 LBS
97 Cobra Wheel 17x8, 22.45 LBS
Weld Pro Star 15x8, 5 Lug, 14.05 LBS
Stock T5 Bellhousing, 10.85 LBS
FMS Aluminum Driveshaft, 13.70 LBS
Stock H Pipe w/ 4 Converters, 33.65 LBS
Offroad H Pipe, 17.35 LBS Front fog light bar, with lights - 20lbs A/C compressor - 17lbs 10 hole wheel with 235/60/15 SLX5000 tire - 46lbs MM Strut Brace - 8 lbs __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
At the track you can take out passenger Seat
Weight Transfer
-Remove Front Sway bar
-Relocate Battery
*most/ some of the stuff is not for street use. Use common sense*
If you can think of anything else let me know and i will add it in.
list of what stuff weighs after its taken off
Weight - Your basic 5 speed coupe without driver weights 3250lbs. So with an average driver weighing about 180lbs that puts your race weight at 3430lbs. At that weight and a power to weight ratio of .075 you would need 258RWHP to hit 12’s. Power to weight is the power of your car (rear wheel) divided by race weight of the car. Using my car when I broke into the 12’s first time I was making 246RWHP and had a race weight of 3250lb, which worked out to a .075 power to weight ratio or .075RWHP per pound of the car. From what I’ve seen a car can get into the 12s with a .075 to .080 P/W ratio. So if your race weight is 3430lbs then 3430 * .075 = 257.25RWHP. As long as you keep this ratio in the .075 to .080 range you are fine plus keep in mind you can drop weight instead of adding power. An example of this is a car with a 3000lb race weight could break into the 12s with 225RWHP (close to stock power on a GT). –thanks Code3gt
Weight Reduction 101:
Fiberglass or Carbon Fiber (if available)
Hood
Front Bumper
Fenders
Doors
Dash
Trunk lid
Rear bumper
Other Ideas:
Tubular k-member
Tubular A-arms
Coil-overs
Aluminum Block
Aluminum radiator
Aluminum Heads
Aluminum Driveshaft
Aluminum Flywheel
Aluminum underdrive pulleys
Remove smog
Remove front sway bar
Remove Power steering
Remove Inner wheel tubs
Remove Spare tire & Jack
Remove Air Conditioning
Remove Rear Seat
Remove rear seat brace
Remove Sound Deadening In trunk and under rear seat and in Interior panels
Remove Trunk Panels
Remove Black Block around the Driveshaft (a.k.a the "Dogbone")
Remove Strut tower brace
Remove Spoilers
Remove Stereo Equipment
Remove Air box
Remove Center Console
Remove floor mats
Remove rear seat belts
Remove black boxes in rear (which is supposed to help stop the car during a rear end collision)
Remove front/rear bumper foam
Remove Bumper Supports
Remove Quad Shocks
Remove Cruise Control
Remove/ Cut your exhaust off before the rear axle
Remove Fog lights and mounting braces
Remove Radio and accessories
Remove the heater assembly
Remove door supports
Remove e-brake and assembly
Remove power locks and window motors are heavy too
Billet alt bracket
Windshield washing system
Light weight battery (Odyssey makes a 25lbs battery)
Fuel Cell
Light weight Racing Brakes (Aerospace brakes)
Lexan Windows
Lightweight Rear Control Arms
Racing seats Racing Rims *aka Weld Prostars Bogart’s
The black braces behind the rear tires (Inside the fenders) There is a ballast weight bolted to the inner right fender used to dampen cowl shake. (Verts Only)
-Stock mid-pipes and Headers weigh a ton -
Get a Gym Membership
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
Actual Weights:
Stock 302 Shortblock with crank, rods pistons but no cam, no timing chain, no timing, no timing cover and no oil pan was 184.85 pounds.
Stock 302 Bare Block w/ Main Caps, 125.70 LBS
World Class T5 out of 85 SVO, not FULL of fluid but I think it still has some in it 71.55 LBS
Passenger Seat out of 85 SVO, cloth style, with seat track & manual lumber inflators, 44.25 LBS
SVO (might be same or similar to other 79-86 bumper reinforcement?), Steel Bumper Reinforcement, 30.70 LBS
79-90 Fender, no moldings or anything, 13.70 pounds
Front Bumper Mount Shock deals with bolts, 10.75 pounds
Steeda Drag Front Sway Bar for 79-93, has the bushing mounts but no endlinks, 13.30 pounds
Trick Flow Twisted Wedge Head fully assembled with Crane Energizer 1.6 Roller Rockers, no port work, 33.65 pounds, 30.05 pounds bare
E5 Head fully assembled with stock rockers, no port work, 53.85 pounds
Crane Energizer 1.6 RR's with Poly Locks, 7.05 pounds
Stock 87-93 Hood with latch and not much paint, 41.05 pounds
85 SVO Leather E Brake Handle, no hardware, 2.05 pounds
Weighed the center arm rest, 6.90 pounds, the 87-93 center console without the armrest and missing the ash tray door & shifter bezel is 5.45 pounds, 12.35 total with arm rest. Thats including the power mirror switch, ac bezel and radio frame.
SVO Steering Wheel, no leather wrap on the wheel itself, 5.55 pounds
Griffin Circle Track Aluminum Raditor, part number 1-26272-X, 15.45 Pounds
Stock HO Intake, nothing in it but a couple of sensors and the TB studs, 33.15 LB's
Edelbrock Performer 5.0 Intake, bare, 38.90 LB's
Smog Pump with the first part of line to the valve thing, no other piping, 8.45 LB's
Horns, 1.35 LB's
Windshield Wipers, 1.30 LB's
Wiper Arms under cowl panel, 1.85 LB's
Wiper Motor, 3.95 LB's
Cruise Control Canister thing up in the fendor, 2.50 LB's
AC Compressor w/ Small AC Bracket, 18.00 LB's
Cargo Cover, 4.90 LB's
94-95 Factory Strut Tower Brace, no hardware, 7.20 LB's
Factory 92-95 Mini Starter, 7.80 LB's
Harwood 3 Inch Pin On Cowl Hood, 15.70 LBS
Cobra R SVO Bolton Hood, no latch, unknown brand, 29.75 LBS
Insulation in hatch (not including attached to carpet) on 87-93 hatcback car, right at 10 LBS
PA Super Comp C4 w/ SFI Bellhousing, no fluid, 116.8 LBS
Continental 3800 Stall Converter, 30.75 LBS
Some stuff from a 95 GT:
Spare, 19.85 LBS
Jack, 5.75 LBS
Insulation in trunk, 1.70 LBS
Lug Wrench, 1.65 LBS
T56 out of a 93 Z28, probably similar weight to one for a Mustang Im sure, no bellhousing, no fluid, no clutch fork, 119.20 LBS
97 Cobra Wheel 17x8, 22.45 LBS
Weld Pro Star 15x8, 5 Lug, 14.05 LBS
Stock T5 Bellhousing, 10.85 LBS
FMS Aluminum Driveshaft, 13.70 LBS
Stock H Pipe w/ 4 Converters, 33.65 LBS
Offroad H Pipe, 17.35 LBS Front fog light bar, with lights - 20lbs A/C compressor - 17lbs 10 hole wheel with 235/60/15 SLX5000 tire - 46lbs MM Strut Brace - 8 lbs __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
At the track you can take out passenger Seat
Weight Transfer
-Remove Front Sway bar
-Relocate Battery
*most/ some of the stuff is not for street use. Use common sense*
If you can think of anything else let me know and i will add it in.
list of what stuff weighs after its taken off
01-25-2009, 10:22 PM
#6
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: KY
Posts: 13,396
01-25-2009, 10:33 PM
#7
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how light are you trying to get your car?
my car still has all the original sheet metal and factory glass. no fibergass hood either. and it wieghs 2440 and it's a hatch.
you have to be creative. you have to dig inot stuff, and remove everything and anything that will not get used. little stuff like the cable bracket under thcar for the ebrake, converting to manual windows. you just have to be creative. my car would be even lighter if i didn't add a full rollcage and those long subframe connectors.
maybe you can get a few ideas from my car.
good luck and be creative.
my car still has all the original sheet metal and factory glass. no fibergass hood either. and it wieghs 2440 and it's a hatch.
you have to be creative. you have to dig inot stuff, and remove everything and anything that will not get used. little stuff like the cable bracket under thcar for the ebrake, converting to manual windows. you just have to be creative. my car would be even lighter if i didn't add a full rollcage and those long subframe connectors.
maybe you can get a few ideas from my car.
good luck and be creative.
