who will win 5.0 or srt4
02-07-2006, 12:15 AM
#81
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
weight weight weight weight wieght wieght is the key here. my notch is like 3k in weight. newedge and S197 are alot heavier. if you dont believe it then why not go to a track with someoen with a notch that can drive. or come see me in the spring. terminators if driven right can hit 12s stock, S197 can hit a low 13 also. but it comes down to weight!!! HP to weight ratio is the key
ORIGINAL: 91hatchgt
The only thing I always think about is, if a stock 1990? LX can go 13.3's with 225 HP, STOCK 03' Cobra's must run 10's where you're from, and the new 05 GT must run 11's.. I find it very hard to believe those times, but is really no reason to argue about it IMO.
ORIGINAL: Quik
thats how i see it, comes down to the driver
and lets think about this is a low 13 somethign to really brag about? if you have any real mods? answer is NO. its something to talk about when you dont have mods that equal anything. also anyone can come take alook at the notch and inspect it and see its stock even with all the seals leaking everywhere
my times for where i live, and for a notch arent far fetched. they have been done many times by others. not saying everyone but it has been done. go look on other sites and they will tell you the same. but also remember this alot of KIDS drive stangs and get poor results or you get ppl that dont know much about the powerband and etc. steep gears isnt always the key, this mod and that mod arent always needed.
totally stock with a paper filter and and stock ford oem exhaust and 308s my notch would pull on my low 14 truck. from a roll and from a dig it would get the truck on topend. next ill hear that a truck cant go low 14s with just K&N/flowmaster
thats how i see it, comes down to the driver
and lets think about this is a low 13 somethign to really brag about? if you have any real mods? answer is NO. its something to talk about when you dont have mods that equal anything. also anyone can come take alook at the notch and inspect it and see its stock even with all the seals leaking everywhere
my times for where i live, and for a notch arent far fetched. they have been done many times by others. not saying everyone but it has been done. go look on other sites and they will tell you the same. but also remember this alot of KIDS drive stangs and get poor results or you get ppl that dont know much about the powerband and etc. steep gears isnt always the key, this mod and that mod arent always needed.
totally stock with a paper filter and and stock ford oem exhaust and 308s my notch would pull on my low 14 truck. from a roll and from a dig it would get the truck on topend. next ill hear that a truck cant go low 14s with just K&N/flowmaster
ORIGINAL: HC_CrAzYHoRsE
wow alot of crap in this thread, why the hell would a 13.99 sec SRT-4 be faster than 13.99 stang?... that's the part i would like someone to explain to me...anyone ? i've always thought Quick's time were a bit over the top too because i've never seen them done in person, but he did mention, weather, elevation, being in another country and all, so i've always given him the benefit of the doubt. personaly the foxes at my track (BONE STOCK...down to the tires) will run 14.2~14.3 when pushed hard. but the stang in this particular thread is NOT completely stock, with the mods listed (as i have pretty much the same ones) it would put him in high 13s. i've hit 14.3 stock, and 14.1 with full exhaust... both times running the crappyest all-season 205/60 tires that wouldn't hook, best 60' was 2.24. with street radials 1.9~2.0 seems to be the norm. that would mean about a 13.8s wich is pretty much what the other ones i've seen with similar mods run at the track sometimes even better. now i'm not saying he will absolutely beat him BUT the truth is if you put completely equal drivers in both cars, the stang SHOULD be faster by a tenth or two. we ARE talking in the 1/4 here ...if were talking about going from roll then yes the SRT-4 would whoop him.
wow alot of crap in this thread, why the hell would a 13.99 sec SRT-4 be faster than 13.99 stang?... that's the part i would like someone to explain to me...anyone ? i've always thought Quick's time were a bit over the top too because i've never seen them done in person, but he did mention, weather, elevation, being in another country and all, so i've always given him the benefit of the doubt. personaly the foxes at my track (BONE STOCK...down to the tires) will run 14.2~14.3 when pushed hard. but the stang in this particular thread is NOT completely stock, with the mods listed (as i have pretty much the same ones) it would put him in high 13s. i've hit 14.3 stock, and 14.1 with full exhaust... both times running the crappyest all-season 205/60 tires that wouldn't hook, best 60' was 2.24. with street radials 1.9~2.0 seems to be the norm. that would mean about a 13.8s wich is pretty much what the other ones i've seen with similar mods run at the track sometimes even better. now i'm not saying he will absolutely beat him BUT the truth is if you put completely equal drivers in both cars, the stang SHOULD be faster by a tenth or two. we ARE talking in the 1/4 here ...if were talking about going from roll then yes the SRT-4 would whoop him.
02-07-2006, 12:19 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
stock gears for T5 cars is 273
Stock optional gears for T5 cars is 308
stock gears for AOD cars is 273
Stock optional gears for AOD cars is 327
they were on the bill slip!!!! these are the only gears offered for the foxes from derborn
the 88 notch i have came with the 308s stock
my 88 hatch came with the 327s stock
my old 89 GT came with the 273s stock
whoever orderd this notch knew what they wanted. has no options except AC, PM,rear defroster and 308s. hell it doesnt even have a tape player. its a striped down car from the factory
Stock optional gears for T5 cars is 308
stock gears for AOD cars is 273
Stock optional gears for AOD cars is 327
they were on the bill slip!!!! these are the only gears offered for the foxes from derborn
the 88 notch i have came with the 308s stock
my 88 hatch came with the 327s stock
my old 89 GT came with the 273s stock
whoever orderd this notch knew what they wanted. has no options except AC, PM,rear defroster and 308s. hell it doesnt even have a tape player. its a striped down car from the factory
02-07-2006, 01:32 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
I want to see a video. I think these guys are being a little too nice. In my opinion, quick is full of ****, but I mean, opinions dont mean anything here, right? He wants to talk power/weight. He said his stock notch weighs about 3k, so 225/3000= .075, and from what i can find, 3.27 was the best axle ratio offered by ford. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803. thi 99-04 GT also came with 3.27s. So, if u run a 13.3 "stock", what do the 99-04 stangs run around there?
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
02-07-2006, 02:40 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
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My85QuarterHorse don't BS with me on this fact because it was a OPTION I don't give a crap what you could and could not of done, the fact is that you could of gotten the car with 2.73, 3.08, 3.55, and 3.73 period. that's the facts, I know someone that ordered there car with 3.73 when the got it. It would not void the warranty, its not any different then ordering you stang with black interior instead of gray. And for the record I have never seen a SSP car with a 351. And all I have to say is everyone is arguing about it because there modded stang does not even go that fast. big deal get over it. there is always someone faster.
My85QuarterHorse don't BS with me on this fact because it was a OPTION I don't give a crap what you could and could not of done, the fact is that you could of gotten the car with 2.73, 3.08, 3.55, and 3.73 period. that's the facts, I know someone that ordered there car with 3.73 when the got it. It would not void the warranty, its not any different then ordering you stang with black interior instead of gray. And for the record I have never seen a SSP car with a 351. And all I have to say is everyone is arguing about it because there modded stang does not even go that fast. big deal get over it. there is always someone faster.
Ford isn't stupid man, the reason they choked that V-8 and didn't make it come out with 275 HP like it is capable with a few small bolt ons....is because they offered a Warranty. How many T-5 horror stories have you heard after people started jacking the HP on their Mustangs??? Yeah uhm...if those cars were covered under Warranty Ford would have lost a fortune replacing all those things. Call Ford tommorrow and ask them if you have one of THIER certified Mechanics put a 4.10 gear in your 05 Mustang if they will still honor the drive train Warranty???
3.73 was not an optional rear end gear on that car. If your Buddy had a 3.73 gear put in his car factory, Ford sent the car out and had it done, and amongst the paper work your friend was signing was a disclaimer.
02-07-2006, 04:48 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
I want to see a video. I think these guys are being a little too nice. In my opinion, quick is full of ****, but I mean, opinions dont mean anything here, right? He wants to talk power/weight. He said his stock notch weighs about 3k, so 225/3000= .075, and from what i can find, 3.27 was the best axle ratio offered by ford. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803. thi 99-04 GT also came with 3.27s. So, if u run a 13.3 "stock", what do the 99-04 stangs run around there?
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
I want to see a video. I think these guys are being a little too nice. In my opinion, quick is full of ****, but I mean, opinions dont mean anything here, right? He wants to talk power/weight. He said his stock notch weighs about 3k, so 225/3000= .075, and from what i can find, 3.27 was the best axle ratio offered by ford. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803. thi 99-04 GT also came with 3.27s. So, if u run a 13.3 "stock", what do the 99-04 stangs run around there?
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
Jealosy is not part of this topic, it is just plain knowledge on the car that I have loved and watched for many years. I know if he were at my track, he would be playing to a different tune.
02-07-2006, 05:44 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
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225/3000= .075, and from what i can find. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803
225/3000= .075, and from what i can find. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803
...now i'm not saying a 13.38 makes sense because i've never seen it done but when you factor in weather, elevation yadda yadda yadda...i GUESS it could happen, so i wouldn't call BS on it. but saying a notch will not run a high 13 with nothing else than a steeper gear when it obviously has more hp/tq to weight than a low 14s 99-04 is ridiculous.
ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
02-07-2006, 07:45 AM
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RE: who will win 5.0 or srt4
look back afew months in this section. and search for a thread thats says stock 13.4 or something like that. most ppl in this section that has been around seen the video
call what you want but i got the slip
yes a good aggressive driver will see better results then average driver/good driver
know what you are talking about before calling **** on me
call what you want but i got the slip
yes a good aggressive driver will see better results then average driver/good driver
know what you are talking about before calling **** on me
ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
I want to see a video. I think these guys are being a little too nice. In my opinion, quick is full of ****, but I mean, opinions dont mean anything here, right? He wants to talk power/weight. He said his stock notch weighs about 3k, so 225/3000= .075, and from what i can find, 3.27 was the best axle ratio offered by ford. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803. thi 99-04 GT also came with 3.27s. So, if u run a 13.3 "stock", what do the 99-04 stangs run around there?
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
I want to see a video. I think these guys are being a little too nice. In my opinion, quick is full of ****, but I mean, opinions dont mean anything here, right? He wants to talk power/weight. He said his stock notch weighs about 3k, so 225/3000= .075, and from what i can find, 3.27 was the best axle ratio offered by ford. A 99-04 GT has 260hp/3237lbs= .0803. thi 99-04 GT also came with 3.27s. So, if u run a 13.3 "stock", what do the 99-04 stangs run around there?
EDIT: Besides that, driver difference really only makes a noticable difference between sh!tty drivers and good drivers. You arent going to see a near second difference in time between a good driver and an excellent one. Maybe a couple tenths at best.
