Portmaster

hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

wowvfast

enlighten me then..I'm all ears....never to old to learn something

mjr46

Do you know what governs the cold start enrichment on these cars??? two major inputs are ect amd act which in accordance with the graphing schaler tables that the eec iv uses it knows based on temp input whether to increase injector pulse on cold start up, once vehicle reaches operating temp running/drivibility peramiters switch from running open loop prestored info in the ecm to running in closed loop where all data from input sensors is used and computed and sent out to output devices such as injectors......if injectors were the prob then his issue would not only be present in open loop running status but also closed loop....because what you are advocating is it's a lean condition, if it's a lean condition which it could be then it'd be present all the time. A koer test will confirm a lean or rich condition but more so make sure that no other sub systems are causing the issue, first thing to ever do once verifying a customer complaint is to uses a vehicles diagnostics capabilities to aid in finding a prob, to many people slap parts without understanding the proper way to go about problem solving
^^^^^^did you not say this??? so why not also advocate a proper diagnostc strategy to verifying issue at hand..........I'm not angry, I don't get that way over the net, but what I don't like is slapping parts until you know for sure what the issue is, remember it's easy to spend someone elses money, put yourself in th OP'S shoes...say he goes and buys injectors based on your recommendation and still has the prob??, in my line of work that doesn't make for a happy person....that's all I'm trying to convey

droptop302

So MJR I will get back to when I put the snap on computer on it tomorrow. I will tell you what it says and you will let me know where to go from here? Its so funny how people on the net can see how mad you get through your or anyone else's typing when there not LOL. Thanks

mjr46

I'm not mad, I'd just rather you diagnosis you cars issue then spend money on parts hoping it'll fix it......Internet diagnosis is so tough because one can't uses all the senses necessary to arrive at an accurate decision,it's so one dimentional, plus we rely on you to be able to accurately describe what you hear, see and feel, and what you precieve vs what at trained professional does often don't line up. most cars I work on in a daily basis take no longer than 1-2 hours of diag time to reach a conclusion. I wish you luck and feel free to PM me if I don't see or remember about your thread

Portmaster

If problems were so easily diagosed there would no need for those of us that do it for a living to spend thousands of dollars in diagnistic tools, scanners, lab scopes and subscritions to Mitchell or Alldata. To run a systems diagnostics test first will lead you in the right direction and could turn out to be something as simple as an unpluged sensor. Diagnostic ports are there for this very reason.

wowvfast

I agree on all those diagnostic tools, but let's be real we all know it's a lean condition having been dealing with these car so long...a koer test will tell us what we already know....diagnostic tools are a must with the ob2 and 3 'puters... buying the 24's at this points isn't a waste of cash as this combo would benefit from them...granted there are several other possibilities like oil on the maf electrodes,bad/corroded temp sensor,vacuum leak,o2 issues,etc
I'm not here to argue but to give other options on what has been said already

Portmaster

^^^^^Remember this statement

I won't attemp to give him a diagnostic evaluation over the internet and tell him to go out an buy expensive parts. There are many things that can cause a lean condition. Unless I was standing over the car reading the O2 sensor output I won't make that assumption.

wowvfast

I will...the 24's are a win/win deal though..his combo can benefit from these...

mjr46

your right, they will allow allow his combo to support more, but gauranteed won't fix his prob.

the key is the bolded above!!! if it were the injectors the prob would exist all the time = hot, warm, or cold.....win/ win deal ......???