what will make more power cleveland or windser
04-24-2009, 10:05 AM
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Yep.... Cleveland design heads are lousy, reason why they are still banned from being used in some racing classes, and not so the "master" they were "copied" from...... 
Will a Cleveland outperform a Windsor?.... yep, the builder is what takes the importance center stage though.
Will a Cleveland outperform a Windsor?.... yep, the builder is what takes the importance center stage though.
04-24-2009, 12:16 PM
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I never said the general design philosophy of a Cleveland head sucks, canted valve high flow head that is. But the stock Ford Cleveland heads were a lousy implementation of that design philosophy. That's why all the modern Cleve head designs have much smaller/different ports, but flow far, FAR more, much higher port velocities. It's still a Cleveland head, but produces phenomenally more power than a stock design.
That's also why I said a W will outperform a C up to a point. If you're willing to spend more money to build a good C, then an engine of the same size and rpm range will outperform a W. It just costs more. In the end, a stock anything older head just can't keep up with a modern aftermarket head of good design.
That's also why I said a W will outperform a C up to a point. If you're willing to spend more money to build a good C, then an engine of the same size and rpm range will outperform a W. It just costs more. In the end, a stock anything older head just can't keep up with a modern aftermarket head of good design.
04-24-2009, 12:49 PM
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Yep.... Cleveland design heads are lousy, reason why they are still banned from being used in some racing classes, and not so the "master" they were "copied" from...... Will a Cleveland outperform a Windsor?.... yep, the builder is what takes the importance center stage though.
Will a Cleveland outperform a Windsor?.... yep, the builder is what takes the importance center stage though.
04-24-2009, 02:07 PM
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he was being sarcastic about it..
04-24-2009, 03:23 PM
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..... read a little in between the words. Lousy design?, getting banned?... why?...... as MCH would have said...... "can't touch this!"...... I wonder why? Would I choose them, even over some aftermarket inline valves heads out there?...........