What Mustang to take from the available line-up? Need some advice
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From: The Hollandlands
What Mustang to take from the available line-up? Need some advice
Hi, My name is Maarten and I'm new here to the forums and I hope to learn a lot here. No need to introduce me on the other sub forum, because there is no Mustang yet (It’ll come when it’s there). Therefore this thread. One of the reasons I joined is that my dad wants to buy himself a Mustang (and of course I want to drive it too, since it has always been my favourite car too). I usually advise him on things, but there are still a lot of things I just don't know about.
However, there's a really nice dealer not to far away (in the Netherlands, Europe it's hard to find Mustang dealers), which gives you also a really good service. He has a line up of a couple mustangs which are of interest to us. One thing is he doesn't want to spend to much money on a car.
There is really nice 1969 coupe which just has quite professionally been restored. He sells it for 13500 euro's. It has a 302ci automatic with either a 2 barrel or a 4 barrel carb (forgot to ask..., but I believe it’s an Edelbrock), so it has quite some horsepower but nothing too much. Further it has a dual exhaust system, powered steering but no powered breaking. The Mustang really Mustang looks nice and smells like new. My dad would also consider a repaint from green to red (which if he does would make the car about 16.000)
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=165
The second car is a 1969 red Mustang Fastback Mach 1, which includes a rear window louvre, hood scoop (non-active, but I'll get to that), powered steering, disc brakes, dual exhaust system and a 351 CI Windsor with automatic transmission. He said it has 250hp so I conclude it's a 2 barrel one.
However, there might be one problem (?? or not ??): it runs on LPG (=liquefied petrol gas) instead of regular gasoline. Now it would save us a lot of money driving it (since we pay over 7,50 dollars per gallon for regular gas and ‘just’ 3 dollars per gallon on LPG), but does that have any downsides? Does it make the car sound different (haven't been able yet to hear it), act different, does it have loss in horsepower? Also, how difficult is it to remove an LPG installation in order to go back to gasoline? Also, if it is a 2 barrel, how hard is it to upgrade to a 4 barrel? Just a new carburettor, or also new cylinder heads and I don't know what else to get some more kick out of it? A new air cleaner would be nice with that too (since the hood scoop is inactive, the air filter is connected by a tube leading to the air filter which is located down a bit further). How much would all that cost?
He sells it for 19.500 euro's and I believe it's worth the extra buck since it really is the right model (but I have to try to convince him as well).
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=163
The third car is a 1966 bright blueish silverish pony Mustang coupe model with an automatic C-code engine transformed into an A code engine. Nothing special to tell here. This one is 17500 euro’s
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=92
The fourth car is the most beautiful of all: a darkish blue 1966 Mustang fastback (I believe it’s called acapulco blue) with white Le Mans stripes. This one also has a automatic C-code engine transformed into an A-code engine. Really suburb in it’s condition, but with a 27.000 euro price tag just too expensive.
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=102
Many thanks!!
However, there's a really nice dealer not to far away (in the Netherlands, Europe it's hard to find Mustang dealers), which gives you also a really good service. He has a line up of a couple mustangs which are of interest to us. One thing is he doesn't want to spend to much money on a car.
There is really nice 1969 coupe which just has quite professionally been restored. He sells it for 13500 euro's. It has a 302ci automatic with either a 2 barrel or a 4 barrel carb (forgot to ask..., but I believe it’s an Edelbrock), so it has quite some horsepower but nothing too much. Further it has a dual exhaust system, powered steering but no powered breaking. The Mustang really Mustang looks nice and smells like new. My dad would also consider a repaint from green to red (which if he does would make the car about 16.000)
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=165
The second car is a 1969 red Mustang Fastback Mach 1, which includes a rear window louvre, hood scoop (non-active, but I'll get to that), powered steering, disc brakes, dual exhaust system and a 351 CI Windsor with automatic transmission. He said it has 250hp so I conclude it's a 2 barrel one.
However, there might be one problem (?? or not ??): it runs on LPG (=liquefied petrol gas) instead of regular gasoline. Now it would save us a lot of money driving it (since we pay over 7,50 dollars per gallon for regular gas and ‘just’ 3 dollars per gallon on LPG), but does that have any downsides? Does it make the car sound different (haven't been able yet to hear it), act different, does it have loss in horsepower? Also, how difficult is it to remove an LPG installation in order to go back to gasoline? Also, if it is a 2 barrel, how hard is it to upgrade to a 4 barrel? Just a new carburettor, or also new cylinder heads and I don't know what else to get some more kick out of it? A new air cleaner would be nice with that too (since the hood scoop is inactive, the air filter is connected by a tube leading to the air filter which is located down a bit further). How much would all that cost?
He sells it for 19.500 euro's and I believe it's worth the extra buck since it really is the right model (but I have to try to convince him as well).
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=163
The third car is a 1966 bright blueish silverish pony Mustang coupe model with an automatic C-code engine transformed into an A code engine. Nothing special to tell here. This one is 17500 euro’s
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=92
The fourth car is the most beautiful of all: a darkish blue 1966 Mustang fastback (I believe it’s called acapulco blue) with white Le Mans stripes. This one also has a automatic C-code engine transformed into an A-code engine. Really suburb in it’s condition, but with a 27.000 euro price tag just too expensive.
http://www.moviecars.nl/new/cars/full.php?car=102
Many thanks!!
Last edited by maschoemaker; Oct 15, 2009 at 03:38 PM.
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From: PA
If it was me I would look at the 69 coupe but I would check to see if you can negotiate the price or something. It looks over all pretty good but remember looks can be deceiving. Even if this is a trustworthy dealer or whatever still check it out. Never hurts and can save you a heartache / bankache in the future. Here are some things you can do that are fairly simple.
1.) I notice the paint looks very nice. I would check for bondo with a magnet. Run the magnet along the sheet metal and see if it does not stick in a spot. Also check the paint for poorly done clear coat. Should look like little sand bubbles and be a little white. These can expand and chip off large areas of clear coat.
2.) Check the floor pans. Get under the car or have him put it on a lift for you. I do not know if there is a liability issue, for being under a lift there, but I would ask. Hit it a couple times in some spots and see if any rust or paint chips off or if there is any noticeable rust. If the thing you prod it with goes through then that is definitely not good. Also make sure there are floor pan plugs in it.
3.) Check the trunk. Inspect for rust. Look under the mat if there is one.
4.) Give the inside a good look through. Check out and make sure all the components work correctly.
5.) Check out the engine. Have him run it for like 5-10mins in idle and see if anything weird happens.
6.) Finally take the car for a test drive. I for one do not think anybody should purchase a running car without at least driving it first.
I am sure other people will give you some suggestions but if you do most of that stuff the guy will know you mean business. Then you might be able to get a better deal in the negotiations.
Good luck and welcome to the herd.
1.) I notice the paint looks very nice. I would check for bondo with a magnet. Run the magnet along the sheet metal and see if it does not stick in a spot. Also check the paint for poorly done clear coat. Should look like little sand bubbles and be a little white. These can expand and chip off large areas of clear coat.
2.) Check the floor pans. Get under the car or have him put it on a lift for you. I do not know if there is a liability issue, for being under a lift there, but I would ask. Hit it a couple times in some spots and see if any rust or paint chips off or if there is any noticeable rust. If the thing you prod it with goes through then that is definitely not good. Also make sure there are floor pan plugs in it.
3.) Check the trunk. Inspect for rust. Look under the mat if there is one.
4.) Give the inside a good look through. Check out and make sure all the components work correctly.
5.) Check out the engine. Have him run it for like 5-10mins in idle and see if anything weird happens.
6.) Finally take the car for a test drive. I for one do not think anybody should purchase a running car without at least driving it first.
I am sure other people will give you some suggestions but if you do most of that stuff the guy will know you mean business. Then you might be able to get a better deal in the negotiations.
Good luck and welcome to the herd.
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From: Cork, Ireland
when you're buying a mustang in netherlands check as well with Geevers
they have a nice bunch
http://www.geevers-classics.nl/2008/index1.asp
never been there but came across them when searching for nice classics.
I imported mine myself from the states which saves craploads of money, but you'd be better off going there to look at the car once picked.
they have a nice bunch
http://www.geevers-classics.nl/2008/index1.asp
never been there but came across them when searching for nice classics.
I imported mine myself from the states which saves craploads of money, but you'd be better off going there to look at the car once picked.
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From: Cork, Ireland
forgot to mention.
as for the LPG: most cars converted to LPG can run both. whatever you fill it up with.
So if you can't find LPG station you could run it on petrol. so check on that.
friend of mine in germany has a chevy truck with a 300ci-ih engine. it sounds the exact same with LPG/petrol. i can't hear when it switches over
as for the LPG: most cars converted to LPG can run both. whatever you fill it up with.
So if you can't find LPG station you could run it on petrol. so check on that.
friend of mine in germany has a chevy truck with a 300ci-ih engine. it sounds the exact same with LPG/petrol. i can't hear when it switches over
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Joined: Oct 2009
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From: The Hollandlands
Thanks for your answers. Next time we'll come there we'll consider everything you mentioned, to check for rust etc 
But if I want to 'upgrade' the Mach1 engine from 2 barrel to 4 barrel, is that difficult with an LPG installation? How much would a 'small' engine restoration cost?
About Geevers, they really have nice cars too, probably even better and at least more options. However, this dealer is only 10 miles away, so if something's wrong it's a quick drive. The other one is over 60 miles away, so that would be a long way (defenitely if we would have to tow the car). So we'd prefer the closer one. However: if the cars there are that much better, you'll never know
But if I want to 'upgrade' the Mach1 engine from 2 barrel to 4 barrel, is that difficult with an LPG installation? How much would a 'small' engine restoration cost?
About Geevers, they really have nice cars too, probably even better and at least more options. However, this dealer is only 10 miles away, so if something's wrong it's a quick drive. The other one is over 60 miles away, so that would be a long way (defenitely if we would have to tow the car). So we'd prefer the closer one. However: if the cars there are that much better, you'll never know
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From: texas
I'd say if money is tight, the first coupe would be a fun car. If you can afford it though, I think that mach 1 would be the car I'd choose. I would leave it as is and just enjoy it. You don't have to have a 4bbl to make hp. My son and I restored a 72 charger with a 318 2bbl for his first car and it does not feel underpowered at all. You can always mod your car later after you drive it a while.
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From: PA
Just rambling here ---
I mean the reason I said not the mach 1 is because the price to me is high. That is like $30,000 usd. Yea the outside looks good but I learned my lesson on buying cars on how they look on the outside. The engine compartment does not look nearly as well taken care of as the coupe's. What would the cost be to ship a car from the usa? Around $2,000? I am not sure what the taxes are there. So 30-2 = 28,000 about we will say. Most mach 1's over here now are cheaper than that last I checked. Idk thought just doing some price comparison.
I mean the reason I said not the mach 1 is because the price to me is high. That is like $30,000 usd. Yea the outside looks good but I learned my lesson on buying cars on how they look on the outside. The engine compartment does not look nearly as well taken care of as the coupe's. What would the cost be to ship a car from the usa? Around $2,000? I am not sure what the taxes are there. So 30-2 = 28,000 about we will say. Most mach 1's over here now are cheaper than that last I checked. Idk thought just doing some price comparison.
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Give me 19k Euros and I will build a very nice 71 fastback for you... Which one depends entirely on what you want and can afford. I like the red one, but the 66 fastback would be nice too. Cant tell what is better because I am on the wrong side of the pond.
Swapping carbs under the LPG setup isnt usually that difficult, it does require an intake swap if its a 2 barrel going to 4, and probably a few small things as well. It sounds the same, just smells a little different. The octane rating is higher on LPG than it is for unleaded gasoline so you can get by with a slightly higher compression ratio on the LPG.
Which one depends entirely on what you want and can afford. I like the red one, but the 66 fastback would be nice too. Cant tell what is better because I am on the wrong side of the pond. Swapping carbs under the LPG setup isnt usually that difficult, it does require an intake swap if its a 2 barrel going to 4, and probably a few small things as well. It sounds the same, just smells a little different. The octane rating is higher on LPG than it is for unleaded gasoline so you can get by with a slightly higher compression ratio on the LPG.