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Stingers or the pypes mid muffler. I switched from the stingers the the PMM and IMO the PMM is an improved sounding stinger. I didn't like the pypes tips so I put my SLP LM tips that were laying in my garage on. If i were to do it all over again I would buy thr M80 mufflers that come with the PMM kit and but the slp LM's. Some people have problems intalling the the PMM kit so I think that would be a great way to avoid any potential problems. Plus you get the best sound exhaust with great tips for the price of most kits...