Panhard rod is this the right one?
07-02-2008, 12:46 AM
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RE: Panhard rod is this the right one?
1+ to above^^^^^^^^^And clarify with the seller first before posting it on the forum IMO.......but thats JMO... be careful with ebay and just buy it off THR if you want that seller and ask if they have a discount code for mustangfourms.com....sometimes you get a better deal!
07-02-2008, 09:09 AM
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RE: Panhard rod is this the right one?
Hi guy's sorry I haven't been active on here much yet !!but yes we are a site sponsor
You will see several differentscreeen names from BMR posting from our company I am thehead tech guy........ so what would you like to know about the Panhardrods we offer?
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You will see several differentscreeen names from BMR posting from our company I am thehead tech guy........ so what would you like to know about the Panhardrods we offer?
Lee S
(813)986-9302
www.bmrfabrication.com
07-02-2008, 09:18 AM
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RE: Panhard rod is this the right one?
ORIGINAL: 157db
THR is also a site sponsor. So much on using that as a point to buy from you.
I am sure that they are reputable enough to purchase from.
And BMR has some really good stuff. Their products are top notch.
UMI is an unknown company around here.
The load on a panhard bar is compression and extention.
There is no lateral load so the adjustment being in the middle
does not make it any weaker than the ones with the adjustment
on the end. The eBay panhard bar you selected is top notch and
THR is also a top notch company.
ORIGINAL: Sam Strano
Please wait.... First off all, which version are you getting? Three different ones are pictured there, one of which isn't even adjustable. And the adjustables with the "adjuster" in the middle are weaker since you are breaking the PHB in the middle to add that piece.
I sell UMI products. In fact you can see the various UMI PHB's I sell here: http://www.strangeparts.com/searchbymodel.php?CategoryID=79&ModelID=5
I'm a supporter of the site, and will gladly help you understand what the differences are between different types of PHB's. The PHB's we sell start @ $109 for adjustable, they can be $139, $149, and $179 depending on the options you pick. There are some that are easier to adjust (on the car adjustable, $139), there are some that have less deflections ($149, $179 double adjustable units), some that do the basic job but better than broken in the middle types (standard adjustable $109).
Ebay got your attention, and depending on the actual part they are advertising the price might not be bad, or could be a screwing. And let's remember the free shipping isn't really free. There is a $9.99 handling fee. I charge shipping, but don't try and make it look like anything more than it is by calling it something else. It costs money to move product these days.
In the end, shipping is normally around $15. Not exactly a huge amount, and I'm around to help explain things, and support the site too.
Please wait.... First off all, which version are you getting? Three different ones are pictured there, one of which isn't even adjustable. And the adjustables with the "adjuster" in the middle are weaker since you are breaking the PHB in the middle to add that piece.
I sell UMI products. In fact you can see the various UMI PHB's I sell here: http://www.strangeparts.com/searchbymodel.php?CategoryID=79&ModelID=5
I'm a supporter of the site, and will gladly help you understand what the differences are between different types of PHB's. The PHB's we sell start @ $109 for adjustable, they can be $139, $149, and $179 depending on the options you pick. There are some that are easier to adjust (on the car adjustable, $139), there are some that have less deflections ($149, $179 double adjustable units), some that do the basic job but better than broken in the middle types (standard adjustable $109).
Ebay got your attention, and depending on the actual part they are advertising the price might not be bad, or could be a screwing. And let's remember the free shipping isn't really free. There is a $9.99 handling fee. I charge shipping, but don't try and make it look like anything more than it is by calling it something else. It costs money to move product these days.
In the end, shipping is normally around $15. Not exactly a huge amount, and I'm around to help explain things, and support the site too.
I am sure that they are reputable enough to purchase from.
And BMR has some really good stuff. Their products are top notch.
UMI is an unknown company around here.
The load on a panhard bar is compression and extention.
There is no lateral load so the adjustment being in the middle
does not make it any weaker than the ones with the adjustment
on the end. The eBay panhard bar you selected is top notch and
THR is also a top notch company.
07-02-2008, 10:54 AM
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RE: Panhard rod is this the right one?
ORIGINAL: RodeoFlyer
comical. 
The 5 words in red above pretty much say that you don't really know what you are talking about.
ORIGINAL: 157db
THR is also a site sponsor. So much on using that as a point to buy from you.
I am sure that they are reputable enough to purchase from.
And BMR has some really good stuff. Their products are top notch.
UMI is an unknown company around here.
The load on a panhard bar is compression and extention.
There is no lateral load so the adjustment being in the middle
does not make it any weaker than the ones with the adjustment
on the end. The eBay panhard bar you selected is top notch and
THR is also a top notch company.
THR is also a site sponsor. So much on using that as a point to buy from you.
I am sure that they are reputable enough to purchase from.
And BMR has some really good stuff. Their products are top notch.
UMI is an unknown company around here.
The load on a panhard bar is compression and extention.
There is no lateral load so the adjustment being in the middle
does not make it any weaker than the ones with the adjustment
on the end. The eBay panhard bar you selected is top notch and
THR is also a top notch company.
The 5 words in red above pretty much say that you don't really know what you are talking about.
Grab a panhard bar by the ends. The very ends where it attaches to the vehicle.
Now try and put a lateral load on it to bend it in the middle.
Dont try and bend it over your knee as the vehicle cant apply a load there.
IMPOSSABLE unless you apply some side load.
There are no attachment points in the middle of the bar so the vehicle
cannot apply any side laods. Its all compression like while turning right
or extentionwhile turning left. There are no side loads whatsoever.
Comical is right. But some people just cant understand....
So go buy whatever panhard bar you want and quit asking for advice.
07-02-2008, 11:53 AM
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RE: Panhard rod is this the right one?
ORIGINAL: 157db
Your statement shows that you are not an engineer.
Grab a panhard bar by the ends. The very ends where it attaches to the vehicle.
Now try and put a lateral load on it to bend it in the middle.
Dont try and bend it over your knee as the vehicle cant apply a load there.
IMPOSSABLE unless you apply some side load.
There are no attachment points in the middle of the bar so the vehicle
cannot apply any side laods. Its all compression like while turning right
or extentionwhile turning left. There are no side loads whatsoever.
Comical is right. But some people just cant understand....
So go buy whatever panhard bar you want and quit asking for advice.
Your statement shows that you are not an engineer.
Grab a panhard bar by the ends. The very ends where it attaches to the vehicle.
Now try and put a lateral load on it to bend it in the middle.
Dont try and bend it over your knee as the vehicle cant apply a load there.
IMPOSSABLE unless you apply some side load.
There are no attachment points in the middle of the bar so the vehicle
cannot apply any side laods. Its all compression like while turning right
or extentionwhile turning left. There are no side loads whatsoever.
Comical is right. But some people just cant understand....
So go buy whatever panhard bar you want and quit asking for advice.
I understand your that your frame of reference for "lateral" loads is in local PHB coordinates, IOW perpendicular to the PHB no matter how the PHB might be inclined. That"s not the problem.
The real issue concerns buckling failure, which comes about under compression. It"s a structural stability thing rather than something that"s easy to directly visualize if you only look at the applied end loading. The theory is rather complex,involving such concepts as "radius of gyration", "slenderness ratio", and depends very much on how well the actual physical geometry approximates the ideal case (which is what most people picture without realizing what they are assuming - compression is most definitely not the pure opposite of tension). The bottom line is that even in a perfectly straight rod lateral deflection tends to be developed due to pure compression, which means that the rod is in fact being bent. Call it an "induced" load rather than a real, physical one if you will. But the end result is still the same. In the extreme worst case, buckling failure is a sudden and complete collapse of the part being compressed.
I"m not going to claim that this PHB is absolutely going to fail in this manner,even though I suspect that it could buckle elastically given sufficient load (think sideways curb strike) or bend in the middle. By the same token those who defend it cannot state with complete confidence that the machining, fabrication, assembly, and installation is 100% guaranteed to result in a PHB that does not already have a little initial "kink" or two in the middle. Or a little slop in the threads, that the jam nuts might not stay tight, or anything else that tends to compromise its stability to below whata theoretical analysis wouldsuggest. That"s whatconcerns me more, actually.
Maybe there really is enough margin in the materials and construction to get away with this design, at least under most circumstances. I don"t know the actual dimensions, material properties, etc. But I do know that I would never design a PHB that way.
Norm
(BSCE with about 35 years of engineering experience)
