timothyrw

wow... i thought i finally had something that we all could agree on in the "handling section".

i should have known better...

jahudso2

Understeer is way easier to control than oversteer no matter how good of a driver you think you are. That's why 99% of cars produced including our mustangs are designed to break front grip first and understeer. Just because you can do a small powerslide doesnt mean you can control your car in a large oversteer condition.

07musclemustang

ha ok well i guess im wrong for running oem perellies with 14/32 and 13/32 on the front and 3/32 and 5/32 on the rear in the winter of alberta (probably one of the worst out there) Either way for most mayb best on rear but if you can truly control oversteer then i would go best on fronts as steering and brakes is more importsnt then getting going and stability.
Yes if you lock up the brakes the rear end will drift... that can be controled by modulating the brakes. and of course it is harder to get going, but imo its better to always have the best contact with the ground on your steer tires that you can much more easily control. Rear tires are controled by the clutch and gas.
If anyone can say they do pendulums for fun (back and forth and back and forth) in any turn (winter of course) and hit over 60 degrees rotation and NEVER spun.. I think i can handel the oversteer.
NOTE if you can handle oversteer learn how to by empty EMPTY parking lots no poles curbs ect. and give her a flick.. Dead of winter of course.. its al about pedal control and countersteer/ flick / follow steer.. (I teach these methods in NAPD)

Average driver run good tires in the rear.
Great drivers run good tires in the front.

Sleeper_08

Don't be too disappointed. Considering the diverse range uses of the cars and experience of the owners I doubt if there will ever be a consensus on anything in this forum.

The reason I'm have to buy a pair of tires is that on my last road course track day I hit a curb hard and put a 3 inch slit in the inner sidewall of one tire. Up to this point, after 6 track days, the wear was pretty even front to back as they had been rotated front to back for that reason. Before blowing the tire I was planning to remount the tires for this season on the opposite sides as the outer edges are worn more heavily. This will be done for the two tires I'll reuse.

I'm also going to reset the front camber from - .75 to about - 1.5 to -2.0 before the season starts to help with the side to side wear.

Now even though the normal recommendation is to put the new tires on the back I'll probably start with them on the front so that they will wear down to close where the rears are before I start rotating front to back. Hopefully by the end of the season all will be worn fairly evenly.

So as mentioned above - everyone has a different perspective.

Stkjock

OP - keep an eye out on the forum parts classifieds, guys are selling those tires all the time. I sold my full set for like $100 last year just to be rid of them from my shed

Stoenr

I totally disagree. Goodyear has sent out memos to its dealers about this specific issue. "Its always better to have the better rubber on the steer tires."
I was old school and always thought better rubber on the drive wheels so its hard to get away from that. But they are the professionals, and do all the testing, so my faith falls with them.

timothyrw

i think you missed their latest memo!

http://www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/Care.html#9

"When buying just two new tires, should they be put on the front or rear?

When you select a pair of replacement tires in the same size and construction as those on the car, we recommend you put them on the rear axle."

and here is the website of an attorney that would SUE YOU for negligence if you installed new tires only on the front!

http://www.fishtail.tv/wrongful_tire_installation.html

timothyrw

no joke, i was riding in a car, TODAY, and the driver lost control going around a corner (street was wet) and did a 180. luckily, there was no damage and we didn't hit anyone. it happened fast, without warning, and there was nothing he could to stop it. that is the difference with oversteer and it's kinder cousin understeer.

i was gonna give up on this thread but it seriously is about safety. and i may not be able to build consensus on this forum but my research has shown that the manufacturers and the national retailers have already established consensus on this issue...

timothyrw

goodyear: rear.

http://www.goodyeartires.com/faqs/Care.html#9

bfgoodrich: rear.

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgap...use.jsp#rotate

pirelli: rear.

http://www.us.pirelli.com/web/techno...v/default.page

michelin: rear.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-care...#install-tires

dunlop: rear.

http://www.dunloptires.com/care/faqs.html#frontRear

cooper: rear.
http://www.coopertire.com/html/tires...eselection.asp

falken: rear.
http://www.falkentire.com/media/Comp...aintenance.pdf

TIRE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION! rear.

http://www.tireindustry.org/tire_saf...s_here_ATS.asp

tirerack.com: rear.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=52

discount tire: rear.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTiresRear.dos

popular mechanics: rear.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...o/4243992.html

allexperts.com: rear.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Tires-2359/2-New-tires.htm (references study he conducted for discount tire)

autos.msn.com: rear.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=434704

video from michelin explaining why to put new tires on rear.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-care...artire-change/

attorney ready to sue for improper installation: rear.

http://www.fishtail.tv/wrongful_tire_installation.html

clintster77

In my opinion . It depends how long you are going to run them . If you are going to stretch them past their legal tread life none of the recommendations from the manufacturers matter . if you just want to go down the road at a slower than safe speed like an endurance run . I would put the the ones with the most tread up front because if you have a blow out you need your steer tires . also pay attention to the wear on the tires . you said that the front are worn on the inside . Put some more air pressure in the tires this will move the wear pattern more to the center .(not over recommended pressure ) that will also give you a smaller scrub radius when turning . if the tire were is more to the center than run a little less tire pressure and get some use out of the edges .