Vortech'd GT vs Camm'd GT
03-02-2010, 05:47 AM
#22
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what world do you live in. a n/a set up is not getting to 400whp without some serious heads and cams, full exhaust and maybe intake.
03-02-2010, 07:47 AM
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Full bolt-ons, cams, and a great set of heads will get you to the same power levels of a mild FI setup.
It'll cost you about $6,000 in parts alone tho lol And you'll be sitting around 400-450whp.
BUT, all of those mods will also work as supporting mods for FI(except maybe the cams depending on what you get)
Throw in some forged internals, and a stroke if you so choose and you're gonna be looking at close to $10k. But at least you'll be ready to slap a blower onto that bad boy and make huge numbers :-)
It'll cost you about $6,000 in parts alone tho lol And you'll be sitting around 400-450whp.
BUT, all of those mods will also work as supporting mods for FI(except maybe the cams depending on what you get)
Throw in some forged internals, and a stroke if you so choose and you're gonna be looking at close to $10k. But at least you'll be ready to slap a blower onto that bad boy and make huge numbers :-)
I'd say 400 RWHP is possible with Cams with the right grind, some good flowing heads, and every supporting mod you can think of, with a strong tune.
03-02-2010, 12:31 PM
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So from these responses, you guys pretty much agree with me.... although ones overall plans for his/her car has alot to do with it as well and thats understandable....... im pretty much sayin if you have the idea of spending 3k for Lt's and cams, might as well save a few more bucks and go forced instead...... more hp from the start plus the ability to upgrade and make more power...... i got my kit from brenspeed for $3700 shipped. i installed it and i have the option of going cooled or meth for some more hp......also its kinda sick how over built a 4.6 3v or one of these motors is from the factory.... so why not take full advantage? 
03-02-2010, 01:31 PM
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CNL Made 430rwhp on a N/A motor.... No clue exactly what's done. Supposedly it was featured in a mag of MM&FF. Hasn't hit the web yet that i've seen. But here's the dyno....
http://www.cnlperformance.com/05_3v.html
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03-02-2010, 01:42 PM
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Yeah, I don't think without F/I, or a small shot, you will be hitting 450 RWHP N/A safely. Mishri posted a link of a 3V with a fully built motor, with racecar type cams, heads, etc. and even the dyno shop said, the car would barely start even after a tune, but it was tuned sooooo aggressive, that it could barely run. That is what happens when you try to push the absolute limit on these cars.
I'd say 400 RWHP is possible with Cams with the right grind, some good flowing heads, and every supporting mod you can think of, with a strong tune.
I'd say 400 RWHP is possible with Cams with the right grind, some good flowing heads, and every supporting mod you can think of, with a strong tune.
BBR had to back the car down to 380 rwhp to have a safe tune. It was on a stock block too. *edit* BBR also states that 400 was not safe because they were on stock injectors and the car went lean. They could not get enough fuel to the motor.
If you've got deep pockets you can easily make over 400whp. Stroke it to a 5.0 increase the compression and raise the rev limit to 7k toss on the livernois race heads, might have to get a custom grind cam, and then all the other fixins that go with it. It'll probably cost like $20k lol but we're just day dreaming here right? lol
Anyway, as for the whole N/A vs FI thing. FI has a very clear advantage and far more potential. But it really depends on your plans on what route you decide to go.
I personally intend to have this car for a very very very long time lol I intend on keeping this car way past when it's paid off. And over the many years I want it to grow with me. So I have incredibly long term plans for her lol In the short term I just want full bolt-ons. In the long term(think decade) I want forged internals and an N/A beast. Then eventually when it's not enough anymore i'll slap some FI on there. :-)
Who knows tho lol plans never go the way you plan them lol I might find a killer deal on some FI and get impatient lol(more likely to happen since I am not a patient person lol)
03-02-2010, 03:58 PM
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Would be interesting to see how you two do in the 1/4, I think the times should be very close (high 12s). Sounds like he has a great power band just not enough poweroverall to pull the vortech from up top...