02 Saleen S-281 or 03 Ford Lightning???
01-22-2008, 06:24 PM
#16
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RE: 02 Saleen S-281 or 03 Ford Lightning???
One thing you're missing though also is the L has a TON of more torque then the Saleen.
But, for what it's worth - I would rather have a SVT product then a GT that was bought and modified by Saleen. I'd rather have something born and built directly by Ford... but that's me. To each their own; either way, he ends up a winner.
But, for what it's worth - I would rather have a SVT product then a GT that was bought and modified by Saleen. I'd rather have something born and built directly by Ford... but that's me. To each their own; either way, he ends up a winner.
ORIGINAL: eviligloo
I respect the opinion, but I have to disagree with this one on a couple counts:
Horsepower is about the same, 365 for saleen and 380 for lightning, but the weight difference is huge. 4650 for the lightning and 3650 formy Saleen convertible. 1,000 lbs right there. Add that to the fact that mine is a convertible and I have a lot of heavy stereo equipment in the back and we're talking a weight savings of around 1500lbs.
The 2002 saleen can still be modified. You can throw on a smaller pulley, tune it, and throw in a chicane intercooler to boost your rwhp up by about 70-80. At that point you'll be pushing around 380rwhp. You can also forge the internals and throw on adifferent supercharger (series II roots supercharger is on the saleen.....it's not bad, but can't compete with some of the newer S/C's out there). Will the saleen compete with a modified terminator cobra? no. Will it dust a lightning? Absolutely.
Unless you need the hauling capacity of a pickup....I'd go with the saleen.
The shop I get my car tuned at does mustangs and lightnings exclusively.
ORIGINAL: xxkazp3rxx
Think of it this way... horsepower numbers are around the same.. both craps 2v's... but the lightning is a 5.4 at least... it's also a bit heavier. The lightnings transmission will hold a bit better vs the crap TR 3650
I might be the lone guy saying it, but i'd take the Lightning... It's a bit slower.. but you really can't modify the Saleen - it's close to being maxed out as it is... Besides, it is always handy to ahve the truck... and it's SVT powered by Ford, not an aftermarket kit on a bare bones GT...
Think of it this way... horsepower numbers are around the same.. both craps 2v's... but the lightning is a 5.4 at least... it's also a bit heavier. The lightnings transmission will hold a bit better vs the crap TR 3650
I might be the lone guy saying it, but i'd take the Lightning... It's a bit slower.. but you really can't modify the Saleen - it's close to being maxed out as it is... Besides, it is always handy to ahve the truck... and it's SVT powered by Ford, not an aftermarket kit on a bare bones GT...
Horsepower is about the same, 365 for saleen and 380 for lightning, but the weight difference is huge. 4650 for the lightning and 3650 formy Saleen convertible. 1,000 lbs right there. Add that to the fact that mine is a convertible and I have a lot of heavy stereo equipment in the back and we're talking a weight savings of around 1500lbs.
The 2002 saleen can still be modified. You can throw on a smaller pulley, tune it, and throw in a chicane intercooler to boost your rwhp up by about 70-80. At that point you'll be pushing around 380rwhp. You can also forge the internals and throw on adifferent supercharger (series II roots supercharger is on the saleen.....it's not bad, but can't compete with some of the newer S/C's out there). Will the saleen compete with a modified terminator cobra? no. Will it dust a lightning? Absolutely.
Unless you need the hauling capacity of a pickup....I'd go with the saleen.
The shop I get my car tuned at does mustangs and lightnings exclusively.
01-22-2008, 08:18 PM
#17
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RE: 02 Saleen S-281 or 03 Ford Lightning???
ORIGINAL: eviligloo
I respect the opinion, but I have to disagree with this one on a couple counts:
Horsepower is about the same, 365 for saleen and 380 for lightning, but the weight difference is huge. 4650 for the lightning and 3650 for my Saleen convertible. 1,000 lbs right there. Add that to the fact that mine is a convertible and I have a lot of heavy stereo equipment in the back and we're talking a weight savings of around 1500lbs.
The 2002 saleen can still be modified. You can throw on a smaller pulley, tune it, and throw in a chicane intercooler to boost your rwhp up by about 70-80. At that point you'll be pushing around 380rwhp. You can also forge the internals and throw on a different supercharger (series II roots supercharger is on the saleen.....it's not bad, but can't compete with some of the newer S/C's out there). Will the saleen compete with a modified terminator cobra? no. Will it dust a lightning? Absolutely.
Unless you need the hauling capacity of a pickup....I'd go with the saleen.
The shop I get my car tuned at does mustangs and lightnings exclusively.
ORIGINAL: xxkazp3rxx
Think of it this way... horsepower numbers are around the same.. both craps 2v's... but the lightning is a 5.4 at least... it's also a bit heavier. The lightnings transmission will hold a bit better vs the crap TR 3650
I might be the lone guy saying it, but i'd take the Lightning... It's a bit slower.. but you really can't modify the Saleen - it's close to being maxed out as it is... Besides, it is always handy to ahve the truck... and it's SVT powered by Ford, not an aftermarket kit on a bare bones GT...
Think of it this way... horsepower numbers are around the same.. both craps 2v's... but the lightning is a 5.4 at least... it's also a bit heavier. The lightnings transmission will hold a bit better vs the crap TR 3650
I might be the lone guy saying it, but i'd take the Lightning... It's a bit slower.. but you really can't modify the Saleen - it's close to being maxed out as it is... Besides, it is always handy to ahve the truck... and it's SVT powered by Ford, not an aftermarket kit on a bare bones GT...
Horsepower is about the same, 365 for saleen and 380 for lightning, but the weight difference is huge. 4650 for the lightning and 3650 for my Saleen convertible. 1,000 lbs right there. Add that to the fact that mine is a convertible and I have a lot of heavy stereo equipment in the back and we're talking a weight savings of around 1500lbs.
The 2002 saleen can still be modified. You can throw on a smaller pulley, tune it, and throw in a chicane intercooler to boost your rwhp up by about 70-80. At that point you'll be pushing around 380rwhp. You can also forge the internals and throw on a different supercharger (series II roots supercharger is on the saleen.....it's not bad, but can't compete with some of the newer S/C's out there). Will the saleen compete with a modified terminator cobra? no. Will it dust a lightning? Absolutely.
Unless you need the hauling capacity of a pickup....I'd go with the saleen.
The shop I get my car tuned at does mustangs and lightnings exclusively.
01-22-2008, 09:15 PM
#18
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RE: 02 Saleen S-281 or 03 Ford Lightning???
The stock torque is one thing.. put a smaller pulley and port the eaton and the lightning torque is ridiculous...
Just because a car is more rare then another doesn't make it worth more. The reason in the end SVT or Shelby vehicles will be worth more then most any Saleen/Roush/Steeda is because it's built by Ford. All those Dodge's, Shelby's, Camaros and GTO's that are out there, they're worth more to collectors because they're built by the company.
For example look at any Cobra 'R' model. My moms boyfriends 2004 440A Roush (which they only made 40 of) isn't worth half of what a 2002 Cobra 'R' is worth (300 made). Same thing with the '93 Cobra 'R' and the 95'. You also see the 93' Cobra (the first year of SVT) is still getting top dollar. Heck, you can pick up a Saleen pretty cheap nowadays (the new edge body styles)... There are some Saleen/Steeda/Roush collectors, but the ones that will get top dollar are the "Built by Ford" special edition cars: Mach 1, SVT, and Shelby... you'll see. Just look at recent history.
But I don't want this to turn into a SVT vs Saleen battle - they're both great cars in their own right - I wish I had to make a decision as tough as this, hahah.
Just because a car is more rare then another doesn't make it worth more. The reason in the end SVT or Shelby vehicles will be worth more then most any Saleen/Roush/Steeda is because it's built by Ford. All those Dodge's, Shelby's, Camaros and GTO's that are out there, they're worth more to collectors because they're built by the company.
For example look at any Cobra 'R' model. My moms boyfriends 2004 440A Roush (which they only made 40 of) isn't worth half of what a 2002 Cobra 'R' is worth (300 made). Same thing with the '93 Cobra 'R' and the 95'. You also see the 93' Cobra (the first year of SVT) is still getting top dollar. Heck, you can pick up a Saleen pretty cheap nowadays (the new edge body styles)... There are some Saleen/Steeda/Roush collectors, but the ones that will get top dollar are the "Built by Ford" special edition cars: Mach 1, SVT, and Shelby... you'll see. Just look at recent history.
But I don't want this to turn into a SVT vs Saleen battle - they're both great cars in their own right - I wish I had to make a decision as tough as this, hahah.
01-22-2008, 11:59 PM
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RE: 02 Saleen S-281 or 03 Ford Lightning???
ORIGINAL: xxkazp3rxx
The stock torque is one thing.. put a smaller pulley and port the eaton and the lightning torque is ridiculous...
Just because a car is more rare then another doesn't make it worth more. The reason in the end SVT or Shelby vehicles will be worth more then most any Saleen/Roush/Steeda is because it's built by Ford. All those Dodge's, Shelby's, Camaros and GTO's that are out there, they're worth more to collectors because they're built by the company.
For example look at any Cobra 'R' model. My moms boyfriends 2004 440A Roush (which they only made 40 of) isn't worth half of what a 2002 Cobra 'R' is worth (300 made). Same thing with the '93 Cobra 'R' and the 95'. You also see the 93' Cobra (the first year of SVT) is still getting top dollar. Heck, you can pick up a Saleen pretty cheap nowadays (the new edge body styles)... There are some Saleen/Steeda/Roush collectors, but the ones that will get top dollar are the "Built by Ford" special edition cars: Mach 1, SVT, and Shelby... you'll see. Just look at recent history.
But I don't want this to turn into a SVT vs Saleen battle - they're both great cars in their own right - I wish I had to make a decision as tough as this, hahah.
The stock torque is one thing.. put a smaller pulley and port the eaton and the lightning torque is ridiculous...
Just because a car is more rare then another doesn't make it worth more. The reason in the end SVT or Shelby vehicles will be worth more then most any Saleen/Roush/Steeda is because it's built by Ford. All those Dodge's, Shelby's, Camaros and GTO's that are out there, they're worth more to collectors because they're built by the company.
For example look at any Cobra 'R' model. My moms boyfriends 2004 440A Roush (which they only made 40 of) isn't worth half of what a 2002 Cobra 'R' is worth (300 made). Same thing with the '93 Cobra 'R' and the 95'. You also see the 93' Cobra (the first year of SVT) is still getting top dollar. Heck, you can pick up a Saleen pretty cheap nowadays (the new edge body styles)... There are some Saleen/Steeda/Roush collectors, but the ones that will get top dollar are the "Built by Ford" special edition cars: Mach 1, SVT, and Shelby... you'll see. Just look at recent history.
But I don't want this to turn into a SVT vs Saleen battle - they're both great cars in their own right - I wish I had to make a decision as tough as this, hahah.
