moosestang

LOL! You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm no road racer, we don't even have curves in florida, so I don't really care who's faster around a track. The camaro z28 is still a couple hundred lbs heavier than that shelby, so it's not surprising to me. the Chevy lovers are all ready call foul though because of rain.

I've made it clear that i don't care for the new mustang design, but that 350gt still looks much better than the new camaro.

JIM5.0

Given time, the GT350 and GT350R will also be run on other tracks such as VIR, Willow, etc. and track times for the 1LE and Z/28 will also fall below GT350/350R times.

Right now, the Camaro guys are crying fowl of the GT350R Nurburgring because the GT350R ran on dry roads and the Z/28 ran in the "rain."
The fallacy: the rain when the Z/28 ran was negligible and comparable to only drizzle.
Actually, Chevy probably ran just before the rain started to take advantage of the still completely pavement.

In this vid of that purported "rainy day," there was absolutely no standing water on the track and no precipitation even coming down.
Otherwise, on the shots of the tires, you would have seen water, even tiny droplets, spraying up from the tire treads hitting the side-mounted camera.
At the speeds the Z/28 was running, more than enough drizzle droplets would have pooled together and you would have seen drops starting to form on the windshield.
And if the drops were so small that they would have evaporated off from the Z/28 moving so fast, more of these tiny drops would have still appeared on the windshield before they would have evaporated. Enough so that you would have seen it in this vid.


As for competition, I'm all for it because Chevy and Ford have been at it for years, and despite us being Ford fans, we and Chevy fans come out as winners because the rivalry causes both companies to push each other to out-do each other we we the car fans get better and better cars given to us.

AK_Kayaker

Well I just watched and at about 6:08.20 as he comes past a stand of trees on the left, you can see some very light droplets on the drivers side windshield, and it does seam to continue even getting a little stronger for the rest of the run.
So for about the last minute he was having to deal with increased slipperiness, so it could be theorized that he added several seconds to his time, but I'm still thinking the GT350R would best the Z28 on the track.
Side note the passenger side wiper was almost useless, and was he driving an auto cause his hand seamed to be on the wheel when the car was shifting gears.

JIM5.0

Yeah, I saw that too, and yes, I could see how a couple of seconds could have been added to his total time.

But I agree, a couple of seconds might have been shaved; I guess this because the last minute in the rain was all on almost all straights and when he had to actually turn on the wipers while he was still in the turns, the pavement had not significantly become wet enough for slipperiness yet.
His wheels didnt thrown up spray until he had past those turns and was already in the mostly straights.

05roadsterguy

Well being new round these parts, I guess ring talk is not common. I do not know as to the veracity of the film or claims, but anything under 8 is an outstanding time. I personally have 47 , laps on the Nordschliefe in a variety of autos, and my best lap is 13:87 in an E46.

If this is a true claim then that is an awesome time. Here is a quick list of times pulled from wiki.Length Time Vehicle Driver Date Notes
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:48 Radical SR8 LM Michael Vergers 19 August 2009 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[13][14][15]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:55 Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Dunlop Direzza DZ03 tires. Radical Sportscars[16] Timed by Sport Auto [17][18][19]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 6:57 Porsche 918 Spyder Marc Lieb 4 September 2013 'Weissach Package' with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. Observed by Sport Auto.[20]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:08.69 Nissan GT-R Nismo (2015) Michael Krumm September 30, 2013 'Track Pack' with 255/40RF-20 run-flat Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT 600 DSST tires.[21][22][23]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:11.57 Gumpert Apollo Sport Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires. Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:12:13 Dodge Viper ACR (2010) Dominik Farnbacher 14 September 2011 SRT conducted test. Video and manufacturer confirmed. OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup R compound track DOT competition tires. TTAC article.
Chrysler press release [8] [9]

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.64 Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package Akira Iida 31 August 2011 Lexus conducted test. Video confirmed. Stock LFA with "Nürburgring Package". OEM Bridgestone Potenza RE070 street tires. Additional Roll Cage was equipped. [10][11]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:14.89 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 2006 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 24 October 2004 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:19.63 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2012) Jim Mero 9 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[24] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure), video confirmed.[25]
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:22.1 Dodge Viper ACR (2009) Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Chrysler and Motor Trend conducted test.[26]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:22.68 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 (2012) Jim Mero 23 June 2011 General Motors conducted test,[27] base specification car with optional track DOT competition tires (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure) and Z07 package
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2010)[28]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.22 Nissan GT-R (2011) Toshio Suzuki 1 October 2010 Nissan conducted test.[29] Semi-wet conditions. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (12/2010).[30]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.3 Maserati MC12 Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.44 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:25.7 Ferrari Enzo Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2009) Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors conducted test,[31] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:26.70 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki 23 April 2009 Nissan Motors conducted test with optional tires. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (08/2009).[32]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani conducted test,[33][34] semi-wet conditions
7:28.0 Porsche Carrera GT Walter Röhrl 2 July 2004 Porsche conducted test.(07/04) [34]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:28.71 Porsche Carrera GT Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:29.03 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki 17 April 2008 Nissan Motors conducted test,.[35][36][37] The test used a stock GT-R with stock tires. Video confirmed.
7:32.0 Porsche 911 GT2 (2008) Walter Röhrl 2007 Porsche conducted test,[38] R compound tires used.
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:32.92 Ferrari 458 Italia Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:33 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997MkII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (04/2010), PCCB [39]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:33.6 Koenigsegg CCX Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)[40]
7:34 Porsche 911 GT2 September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[41] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:34 Nissan GT-R (2011) Horst von Saurma October 2010 Sport Auto (11/2010),.[42]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)[43]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:37.4 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 (2014) Adam Dean October 2013 General Motors conducted test,[44] semi-wet conditions, video confirmed.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:37.9 991 Porsche 911 Carrera S Timo Kluck 28 August 2012 Official Porsche video,[45] PDK transmission used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Lexus LFA Horst von Saurma September 2010 Sport Auto conducted test,[46] Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires used.
7:38 Porsche 911 Turbo September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[41] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Horst von Saurma October 2009 Sport Auto conducted test,[47] Michelin Pilot Sport ZP run-flat tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[48] Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:38 Ferrari 458 Italia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2010), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:38.85 Lexus LFA Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars supercomparo (LFA vs 458 vs SLS AMG vs GT-R vs LP570-4 vs Weismann GT) test conducted on the long 20.8 km configuration of Nurburgring (11/2010)
7:39 Porsche 911 Turbo (2010) Porsche Conducted Test [49] Stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2008)[50]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2009)[51]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:40 Mercedes SLS AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (2010)[52]
7:40.6 Ford GT Markus Draper Octane Magazine
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:40.76 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:41.23 Porsche 911 Turbo S Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:41.27 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (2012) GM test driver Aaron Link October 2011 GM conducted test (10/2011)
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:41.50 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Sascha Bert August 2009 Auto Bild Sportscars (08/2009)
7:42 Porsche 911 GT3 Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:42 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2010?) [53]
7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Jan Magnussen 2005 General Motors,[54][55] Motor Trend confirmed, recorded from a standing start rather than the generally accepted rolling start technique now used [56]
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:43.65 Nissan GT-R Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 'Motor' magazine
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:44 Audi R8 V10 Sport Auto (09/2009)[57]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
20,832 m (68,346 ft) 7:44.42 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (09/2007)[58]
7:46.36 Jaguar XJ220 John Nielsen 1992 Evo (07/2000) [59]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[60]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[61]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007 Sport Auto[62]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008),[63] PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[64] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[41] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2007)[65]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:54.36 Renault Mégane RS 275 Trophy-R Laurent Hurgon 16 June 2014 Test realised by Renault Sport. New record for a FWD car[66]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill crossedflags.com[67]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo (996) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [68] Flying start ("fliegende Runde.")
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Röhrl Motor Trend (07/2009)[69]
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires
7:56.73 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa -
7:58.4 Seat Leon Mk3 Cupra Jordi Gene March 2014 Top Gear conducted test[70]
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 Jan Magnussen 2005 General Motors conducted test
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008 General Motors conducted test,[71] video confirmed[72]
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl 'Wheels' magazine (06/2004), PASM setting "Performance"
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec Dirk Schoysman 1996 Best Motoring - Time Attack / Autocar magazine 97, stock[73]
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10 November 2005 Motor Trend
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series, Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series Autobild (07/2007)
8:02 Aston Martin DBS Horst von Saurma