5.0??
04-16-2006, 12:00 PM
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RE: 5.0??
ORIGINAL: 90mustangkid
but the windsor was a van motor and the clevelend was build better
but the windsor was a van motor and the clevelend was build better
I guess youd know that the 351 Windsor has come in anything from early mustangs, to box trucks. Some van engine i guess.
ORIGINAL: product1620
The windsor is a stroked 302; the blocks are the same so It would be the same to swap in a windsor as it would to swap in a 302 provided you have the accesorys for a 302 mustang. The widsors make a lot of power and are very reliable which is probably why they used them in the big vans and box trucks; Iv'e seen those engines with 200,000+ miles and still chuggin. The cleavlend is a big block, so i'm not even sure if it will fit in a foxstang without modification. And if i'm not mistaken I think the windsor made more power than the clevelend, but the clevelend made more torque.
The windsor is a stroked 302; the blocks are the same so It would be the same to swap in a windsor as it would to swap in a 302 provided you have the accesorys for a 302 mustang. The widsors make a lot of power and are very reliable which is probably why they used them in the big vans and box trucks; Iv'e seen those engines with 200,000+ miles and still chuggin. The cleavlend is a big block, so i'm not even sure if it will fit in a foxstang without modification. And if i'm not mistaken I think the windsor made more power than the clevelend, but the clevelend made more torque.
Cleveland being a big block? News to me. Have you ever seen a Cleveland? Its not a big block. Its actually a different family in the ford small blocks. Its right with the M family if i remember correctly.
Windsors didnt make more power, if you looked at Cleveland heads, you see how huge the ports are, and much better designed they are, and theyre stronger than any other small block in a car application. Back in the 60's and 70's, it was the more desirable 351, but as the aftermarket came out for the Windsor, with better heads, intakes, and all that, people abandoned the Cleveland.
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Get the Windsor and put 302 heads on it. That will raise the compression ratio..giving you better power and still be a little fuel efficient.
Get the Windsor and put 302 heads on it. That will raise the compression ratio..giving you better power and still be a little fuel efficient.
04-16-2006, 08:17 PM
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RE: 5.0??
(from John Dettori. jdettori@bear.com)
Now a 351 Windsor is really a slightly enlarged 289/302, as it's name implies it comes from Fords "Windsor" engine family (a.k.a. the 90-degree V engine family). The thin-wall cast SMALL BLOCK accepts regular sized spark plugs, uses a timing chain in the block, routes water through the intake manifold, features thin main-bearing caps, a very good oiling system, and uses the same heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads are are small, utilizing in-line valves with relatively small ports. The valves are 1.78" intake and 1.54" exhaust, i.e. the same size as a 289/302. The valve covers are straight (front to rear), attached by 5 bolts, and when removed you can see 351 cast in the lifter valley. The small side-by side (in-line) valves are the dead give-away.
Now a 351 Windsor is really a slightly enlarged 289/302, as it's name implies it comes from Fords "Windsor" engine family (a.k.a. the 90-degree V engine family). The thin-wall cast SMALL BLOCK accepts regular sized spark plugs, uses a timing chain in the block, routes water through the intake manifold, features thin main-bearing caps, a very good oiling system, and uses the same heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads are are small, utilizing in-line valves with relatively small ports. The valves are 1.78" intake and 1.54" exhaust, i.e. the same size as a 289/302. The valve covers are straight (front to rear), attached by 5 bolts, and when removed you can see 351 cast in the lifter valley. The small side-by side (in-line) valves are the dead give-away.
The 351 Cleveland, on the other hand, belongs to Ford's 335 engine family. This thin-wall cast BIG SMALL BLOCK uses the smaller 14mm spark plugs, has a separate front cover (bolted to the block) housing the timing chain and routing water - so that water does not go through the intake manifold, features beefy main caps (wide enough to drill for 4-bolt mains), a poor oiling system, and uses different heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads make all the difference and these fire breathing babies make this motor the legend it is. On the 4V, the valves are HUGE, measuring 2.19" intake and 1.7n" exhaust (don't remember exactly). Valves this large are only possible via a canted valve arrangement, forming what Ford refers to as a "poly-angle" combustion chamber. The valve covers are not straight - the front is flat and parallel to the ground, but a curve twists the rear parallel to the head. They are attached by 8-bolts and when removed, there is a 4 cast into the corner of the 4V and a 2 cast into the corner of the 2V (at least in 1970). The canted valves are the dead giveaway.
04-17-2006, 07:51 PM
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RE: 5.0??
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slightly enlarged meaning stroked.
slightly enlarged meaning stroked.
Think about this...if it were nothing more than a stroked 302...why would people bother with a 347 stroker kit?
04-24-2006, 09:39 PM
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RE: 5.0??
I think you should go with the 351C (the small block one LOL) have it bored 30 over with pop up forged pistons with a big mechanical cam, eagle rods and about a 4000 stall. If you need some help with all that let me know...Oh yeah I almost forgot about springs for the new cam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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