Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
#21
RE: Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
ORIGINAL: LX200
I just did...
XCal 2 and C&L CAI (best looking CAI around) for $580 for Evolution Performance. Almost $70 cheaper than many others.
Ford Racing Axle back muffler for $225.
So, for $805, I got a huge increase in performance.
Take all the "So and So is clearly the best tuner out there" with a grain of salt. The translation is really "So and So is who I bought my tuner from, so he must be best." There has been NO scientific dyno based runoff between various tuners, so nobody is the undisputed King of anything.
What you can be sure of is that Alternative, Bamachips, Brenspeed and Evolution have tons of happy customers and virtually no unhappy ones (at least here on this forum, and this is a demanding crew).
But, undoubtably, it's axle back muffler, XCAL2 and CAI. You will be stunned by the difference, especially with the throttle response.
I just did...
XCal 2 and C&L CAI (best looking CAI around) for $580 for Evolution Performance. Almost $70 cheaper than many others.
Ford Racing Axle back muffler for $225.
So, for $805, I got a huge increase in performance.
Take all the "So and So is clearly the best tuner out there" with a grain of salt. The translation is really "So and So is who I bought my tuner from, so he must be best." There has been NO scientific dyno based runoff between various tuners, so nobody is the undisputed King of anything.
What you can be sure of is that Alternative, Bamachips, Brenspeed and Evolution have tons of happy customers and virtually no unhappy ones (at least here on this forum, and this is a demanding crew).
But, undoubtably, it's axle back muffler, XCAL2 and CAI. You will be stunned by the difference, especially with the throttle response.
#22
RE: Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
I agree on all points but one. I have talked with 3 shops that provide tunes/mustang performance parts and work that cofirm Lidio is the man when it comes to autos. And before my turbo, I was running TI w/Bamachips tunes, so I am not biased. And my current tune is from Powerhouse. From the research I gathered, several shops actually consult with Lidio on the auto tune. In fact, some of you with autos that didn't buy directly from Lidio may be running a tune file that Lidio has touched. Just some food for thought.
ORIGINAL: LX200
I just did...
XCal 2 and C&L CAI (best looking CAI around) for $580 for Evolution Performance. Almost $70 cheaper than many others.
Ford Racing Axle back muffler for $225.
So, for $805, I got a huge increase in performance.
Take all the "So and So is clearly the best tuner out there" with a grain of salt. The translation is really "So and So is who I bought my tuner from, so he must be best." There has been NO scientific dyno based runoff between various tuners, so nobody is the undisputed King of anything.
What you can be sure of is that Alternative, Bamachips, Brenspeed and Evolution have tons of happy customers and virtually no unhappy ones (at least here on this forum, and this is a demanding crew).
But, undoubtably, it's axle back muffler, XCAL2 and CAI. You will be stunned by the difference, especially with the throttle response.
I just did...
XCal 2 and C&L CAI (best looking CAI around) for $580 for Evolution Performance. Almost $70 cheaper than many others.
Ford Racing Axle back muffler for $225.
So, for $805, I got a huge increase in performance.
Take all the "So and So is clearly the best tuner out there" with a grain of salt. The translation is really "So and So is who I bought my tuner from, so he must be best." There has been NO scientific dyno based runoff between various tuners, so nobody is the undisputed King of anything.
What you can be sure of is that Alternative, Bamachips, Brenspeed and Evolution have tons of happy customers and virtually no unhappy ones (at least here on this forum, and this is a demanding crew).
But, undoubtably, it's axle back muffler, XCAL2 and CAI. You will be stunned by the difference, especially with the throttle response.
#23
RE: Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
Again, not substantiated by any concrete data. I had my tune done by Evolution, and my automatic shifts to perfection, both at normal driving speeds, and much better with WOT when I am cranking it. I am 100% happy with it. Now, if I bought an Alternative tune, I might say "Gee, this is better" or "Gee, this is worse" or "Gee, this feels the same". Much of this "so and so is best" talk is people repeating folklore started by a few insistent posters.
Bottom line, no data exists to support any one shop as the best. Period.
I will steadfastly tell people that I am 100% happy with my Evolution tune. I WON'T tell them it's the best tune out here BECAUSE I HAVE NO data to support that contention. It really is that cut and dry.
Bottom line, no data exists to support any one shop as the best. Period.
I will steadfastly tell people that I am 100% happy with my Evolution tune. I WON'T tell them it's the best tune out here BECAUSE I HAVE NO data to support that contention. It really is that cut and dry.
#24
RE: Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
ORIGINAL: LX200
Again, not substantiated by any concrete data. I had my tune done by Evolution, and my automatic shifts to perfection, both at normal driving speeds, and much better with WOT when I am cranking it. I am 100% happy with it. Now, if I bought an Alternative tune, I might say "Gee, this is better" or "Gee, this is worse" or "Gee, this feels the same". Much of this "so and so is best" talk is people repeating folklore started by a few insistent posters.
Bottom line, no data exists to support any one shop as the best. Period.
I will steadfastly tell people that I am 100% happy with my Evolution tune. I WON'T tell them it's the best tune out here BECAUSE I HAVE NO data to support that contention. It really is that cut and dry.
Again, not substantiated by any concrete data. I had my tune done by Evolution, and my automatic shifts to perfection, both at normal driving speeds, and much better with WOT when I am cranking it. I am 100% happy with it. Now, if I bought an Alternative tune, I might say "Gee, this is better" or "Gee, this is worse" or "Gee, this feels the same". Much of this "so and so is best" talk is people repeating folklore started by a few insistent posters.
Bottom line, no data exists to support any one shop as the best. Period.
I will steadfastly tell people that I am 100% happy with my Evolution tune. I WON'T tell them it's the best tune out here BECAUSE I HAVE NO data to support that contention. It really is that cut and dry.
For me, I was actually seeing differences between tunes at the track, on the same day, under the same conditions. Case and point, I had 3 different tunes on my XCAL at the track for the 1/8th. Going from my Excessive tune to the TI tune, I went from a 9.x to a 8.9 on engine. Going from the TI tune to the Bamachips tune, I went from a 8.9 down to a 8.6. So I actually have data to back what I say up.
I simply mentioned Lidio because he is highly regarded by even the other tuners for the auto. One of the reasons is the fact that he drives his auto test mule to and from work every day, constantly tweaking. I think Doug also does this as well. On the forums, debates enrage all over the place, my tuner is better than your tuner, etc. In reality, the tuning world is very small, and all of the tunes for our cars that use XCAL2's come from one of 2 guys in the nation, that work at SCT. Then, those base tunes get modified by the tuner of your choice. So we are actually all connected. It was actually explained to me by two different people, at two different shops, both of which verified the others debrief to me.
So I really wasn't trying to push one vs. the other, cause as you can see, I have had more tuners touch my car than probably any 4.0 owner. Just wanted to provide some info based on my research and real world experiences.
#30
RE: Thousand dollars burning a hole in my pocket.
scrming...as another interested auto owner party here. You mention alternative sells the C&L intake/tune combo but yet I don't see them advertising it on their site...any help here? or just call em?
How many tunes will they provide? I hear other providing 1-3 depening on the supplier.
I wil prlly get my Xcal/CAI in July.
Thanks man
How many tunes will they provide? I hear other providing 1-3 depening on the supplier.
I wil prlly get my Xcal/CAI in July.
Thanks man