explorer express claim...
12-17-2006, 10:17 PM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: scrming
here's some thing to think about... Nav and I have very similar setups... he has 3.73 and I have 4.10s... he was running SHORTER MT ETs (very sticky) and I was running TALLER M&Hs (so-so sticky)... so our gearing is actually about the same... Now my setup before my off-road pipe I was running low 13's... 13.2 into a 25MPH headwind! Compare this to Nav's 13.6 (which is what he has in the timeslip database... ???) And I could have easily swapped out the stock pulley and probably shaved another .2 off my ET...
And everyone talks about the low end grunt of the x-charger... hmmm... my 60' is actually a full .1 faster than an x-charger! LOL!
Sorry if I sound like a naysayer... but I don't know how a system that cost more and has less performance can be called impressive.. unless you are strictly judging it on looks... then yes, the x-charger is sex on wheels... but if you want max performance there are better options... IMHO....
ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro
wow that's very impressive! i'm just wondering about the claim on their site because the fastest i had seen until you posted this was that 13.6 by i think nav, but i know he had a good deal of suspension mods, with 3.73's and they were on drag radials....open diff, but still not even close to being stock other than lca's and the cali kit. If the cali kit has the potential for mid 13's with just lca's and someone can prove it, i am sold on the x-charger for sure.
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
Bscotti just ran a 13.2 on his peg leg HighPo kit. With water injection and LCA's. Not sure if he was running DR's.
Bscotti just ran a 13.2 on his peg leg HighPo kit. With water injection and LCA's. Not sure if he was running DR's.
And everyone talks about the low end grunt of the x-charger... hmmm... my 60' is actually a full .1 faster than an x-charger! LOL!
Sorry if I sound like a naysayer... but I don't know how a system that cost more and has less performance can be called impressive.. unless you are strictly judging it on looks... then yes, the x-charger is sex on wheels... but if you want max performance there are better options... IMHO....
You are looking very possible high 12's with gears with the X Charger
12-17-2006, 10:32 PM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro
[well you also need to take into account your driving ability. As far as i know you have been to the track with your car many more times than nav has with his setup. He is running the cali kit i beleive, while you are running the hi-po vortech kit. I thought you had drag suspension and a t-loc, along with some other suspension goodies...an lsd helps majorly on a launch with the kind of torque you are putting down, so who's to say with the same supporting mods you have, he wouldn't be running faster 60' than you?
you are also most likely talking about the price you got from mrt or their sale prices for the more expensive part, but on vortech's website-
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...005_v6_ho.html
the HO system (when totally complete, not the tuner kit) is pretty much exactly the same as the x-charger, and supposedly the x is much easier to install and takes less install time, so it is likely cheaper over all.
As rygen said earlier, bscottie ran a 13.2 with an open-diff with the hi-po kit. I can easily see 12's if he can do that with an open diff.
I can see what you are saying, but i think your argument is very biased and a bit unfair. Please don't take that in a disrespectful way, that's just my opinion. i thought the same thing for a while, but have recently seen some very impressive stuff.
[well you also need to take into account your driving ability. As far as i know you have been to the track with your car many more times than nav has with his setup. He is running the cali kit i beleive, while you are running the hi-po vortech kit. I thought you had drag suspension and a t-loc, along with some other suspension goodies...an lsd helps majorly on a launch with the kind of torque you are putting down, so who's to say with the same supporting mods you have, he wouldn't be running faster 60' than you?
you are also most likely talking about the price you got from mrt or their sale prices for the more expensive part, but on vortech's website-
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...005_v6_ho.html
the HO system (when totally complete, not the tuner kit) is pretty much exactly the same as the x-charger, and supposedly the x is much easier to install and takes less install time, so it is likely cheaper over all.
As rygen said earlier, bscottie ran a 13.2 with an open-diff with the hi-po kit. I can easily see 12's if he can do that with an open diff.
I can see what you are saying, but i think your argument is very biased and a bit unfair. Please don't take that in a disrespectful way, that's just my opinion. i thought the same thing for a while, but have recently seen some very impressive stuff.
Now... lets look at Nav's sig:
06 V6 Premium Screaming Yellow, Auto, X-Charger Tuned By Bamachips, Magnaflow Axleback Exhaust, Richmond 3.73's & Trak Lok, Powerhouse CHE LCA's, Powerhouse Aluminum Driveshaft & Safety Loop, Powerhouse CHE Adjustable Panhard Bar, LPW Girdle, Line Lock. 1/4 mile 13.64@ 99.8 MPH
He actually has about the same exact mods! LOL! He's got the PH driveshaft... I've got the heavy stock DS... LOL! Ok... so he upgrades to the hi-po kit and runs 13.0 to 13.2... maybe even 12.99... I simply swap out my stock 3.25 pulley for the 2.87 sitting right here on my desk and now i've dropped probably close to .2 on my ET... my boost now comes on a bit earlier and my 60' gets even better... Sorry... but I think the x-charger will always be 1 step behind...
12-17-2006, 10:37 PM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: Krazer
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
12-17-2006, 10:43 PM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: scrming
Take a look at Nav's car... it is almost EXACTLY the same as mine! Yet my 60' is a .1 faster... LOL!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
ORIGINAL: Krazer
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
John I am not talking about Nav's (6psi-8psi) car 60' I am talking about Bscotties Hi Pro (8psi-10psi) it would be interesting to see his 60' with 4.10's and DR's with a good launch vs yours.
12-17-2006, 10:51 PM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: Krazer
John I am not talking about Nav's (6psi-8psi) car 60' I am talking about Bscotties Hi Pro (8psi-10psi) it would be interesting to see his 60' with 4.10's and DR's with a good launch vs yours.
ORIGINAL: scrming
Take a look at Nav's car... it is almost EXACTLY the same as mine! Yet my 60' is a .1 faster... LOL!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
ORIGINAL: Krazer
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
John I am not talking about Nav's (6psi-8psi) car 60' I am talking about Bscotties Hi Pro (8psi-10psi) it would be interesting to see his 60' with 4.10's and DR's with a good launch vs yours.
12-18-2006, 12:40 AM
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RE: explorer express claim...
I think the other positive thing I like about the X Charger is the fact that I have not heard of a single failure or problem with it. On the other hand I've seen post after post on problems people have had with the centrifugal type SC's. For the ease of installation and safety of the system I'd give up a few tenths in the quarter mile to go wit the X.
12-18-2006, 01:15 AM
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RE: explorer express claim...
ORIGINAL: scrming
He actually had DRs... the stock gearing might even be helping him launch... with 4.10s you end up just spinning... if I knew then what I knew now, i probably would not have gone with the 4.10s... LOL
ORIGINAL: Krazer
John I am not talking about Nav's (6psi-8psi) car 60' I am talking about Bscotties Hi Pro (8psi-10psi) it would be interesting to see his 60' with 4.10's and DR's with a good launch vs yours.
ORIGINAL: scrming
Take a look at Nav's car... it is almost EXACTLY the same as mine! Yet my 60' is a .1 faster... LOL!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
ORIGINAL: Krazer
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
One more thing I would to point out also John lets set up bscotties car with 4.10's and drag radials then look at that 60' and then compare it!
Interestingly enough we think we found a problem with my BMR LCAs last week... they seemed to be binding up, preventing the car from squatting properly so I wasn't getting the weight transfer like I should!!! We have since corrected the problem... the car is planting harder than it has EVER planted before!!! Just wish a local track was open to verify... LOL
John I am not talking about Nav's (6psi-8psi) car 60' I am talking about Bscotties Hi Pro (8psi-10psi) it would be interesting to see his 60' with 4.10's and DR's with a good launch vs yours.