XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
12-27-2006, 02:43 PM
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XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
Well, after much thought and analysis, I am now leaning HEAVILY toward keeping my V6'er and supercharging it. I was playing with the idea of upgrading in 2009 to a GT, but, when you look at how much money you lose, it just really makes it hard to do. Plus, two years from now, my car will probably have less than 10,000 miles on it (it's just a fun car) so I would really take a bath.
For many reasons, the Xcharger is probably the best bet for me, including
1. I don't street race
2. I don't go to drag strips
3. High reliability of this blower type
4. Straight-forward install with minimal parts count - good for reliability
5. GREAT torque on the low end, where I'll spend almost all my time
So.... XCHARGER MEN... I know you were all happy initially, how do you feel now? Any regrets? Anything else you would consider at this time? Any final thoughts? I may make the jump in late January.
For many reasons, the Xcharger is probably the best bet for me, including
1. I don't street race
2. I don't go to drag strips
3. High reliability of this blower type
4. Straight-forward install with minimal parts count - good for reliability
5. GREAT torque on the low end, where I'll spend almost all my time
So.... XCHARGER MEN... I know you were all happy initially, how do you feel now? Any regrets? Anything else you would consider at this time? Any final thoughts? I may make the jump in late January.
12-27-2006, 02:59 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
Hi,
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
12-27-2006, 04:13 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
Hi,
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
Your statement "lower loss power wise" makes almost no sense. They feed off exhaust, they are not belt driven like a supercharger. So there is no "taking of power to make power"
Turbo lag is a thing of the past, by 2800 rpm, I am boosting nicely.
As far as the plumbing, look at the the PH kit and get back to me.
By the way, I do think the X is a fine piece. Everything I have heard about them sounds like it is quality. The kit def. has the most OEM type finish to it, really looks good sitting there. I am anxious to see the X men get into track season and see what kind of times they post.
12-27-2006, 04:41 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
You say what I said makes no sense where power losses go.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.
12-27-2006, 05:47 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
ORIGINAL: wolfey2k
You say what I said makes no sense where power losses go.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.
You say what I said makes no sense where power losses go.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.
12-27-2006, 06:45 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
Not to hijack, but I think it's better than starting another post.......
Like LX200, I'm planning on going F/I within the next 2 months. I do a lot of highway driving (about 90% of my driving is on the highway), and I'm also looking to start going to thestrip on weekends as my new "hobby." I'm torn between getting an X-charger or PH turbo. Since I go to medschool in Philly, I can make the 5hr drive to PH to get the turbo and have it installed, which is the major determining factor for me (that is, having it installed). My hold up is which would be better for me? Yes, I do a TON of highway driving, but now that I'll be on hospital rotations, I'm going to be doing my share of city driving too. I'm wondering what your opinions are? Using my car for what I use it for, what do you think would be better, turbo or s/c???
Like LX200, I'm planning on going F/I within the next 2 months. I do a lot of highway driving (about 90% of my driving is on the highway), and I'm also looking to start going to thestrip on weekends as my new "hobby." I'm torn between getting an X-charger or PH turbo. Since I go to medschool in Philly, I can make the 5hr drive to PH to get the turbo and have it installed, which is the major determining factor for me (that is, having it installed). My hold up is which would be better for me? Yes, I do a TON of highway driving, but now that I'll be on hospital rotations, I'm going to be doing my share of city driving too. I'm wondering what your opinions are? Using my car for what I use it for, what do you think would be better, turbo or s/c???
12-27-2006, 07:39 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
Re: Mr. Hijacker ;-), why bother boosting your V6 at all? I mean you're using it primarily for work right?
One thing boosting does is wear an engine out a lot faster than otherwise. Once you have one of those boosting gizmo's on board, you won't be able to keep your foot out of it!
I've torn down and rebuilt enough burned up turbo'd engines to know.
Anyway, it's your money and I'm sure you'll enjoy the boost regardless.
For me, for all that money and time, I'd rather install a hopped up V6 or small bock V8 that is normally asperated and built for the abuse and keep it clean lean and mean!
I dont' like Ford's modular V8's. 90 degree angle is way out of line and just plain unnecessary IMO and for what it is, it's output sucks anyway.
Scrmng, yeah so what. My primary complaintsare too much plumbing, waste heat, lubrication problems down the road and all the other potential hazards wear and tear turbo's cause. Yes, they are fun and a good way to increase power output but what a mess! Only my opinion. Take it or leave it pal.
Sorry you got upset. I hope you enjoy your new toy's. That's what they are for after all eh?
Just remember, added Horse Power Costs Money both now and down the road.
One other thing man. You started out saying you are considering purchasing a Super Charger....
Why then all the arguing about Turbo's?
Do you know the difference between a super charger and a turbo?
One thing boosting does is wear an engine out a lot faster than otherwise. Once you have one of those boosting gizmo's on board, you won't be able to keep your foot out of it!
I've torn down and rebuilt enough burned up turbo'd engines to know.
Anyway, it's your money and I'm sure you'll enjoy the boost regardless.
For me, for all that money and time, I'd rather install a hopped up V6 or small bock V8 that is normally asperated and built for the abuse and keep it clean lean and mean!
I dont' like Ford's modular V8's. 90 degree angle is way out of line and just plain unnecessary IMO and for what it is, it's output sucks anyway.
Scrmng, yeah so what. My primary complaintsare too much plumbing, waste heat, lubrication problems down the road and all the other potential hazards wear and tear turbo's cause. Yes, they are fun and a good way to increase power output but what a mess! Only my opinion. Take it or leave it pal.
Sorry you got upset. I hope you enjoy your new toy's. That's what they are for after all eh?
Just remember, added Horse Power Costs Money both now and down the road.
One other thing man. You started out saying you are considering purchasing a Super Charger....
Why then all the arguing about Turbo's?
Do you know the difference between a super charger and a turbo?
12-27-2006, 09:08 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
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Re: Mr. Hijacker ;-), why bother boosting your V6 at all? I mean you're using it primarily for work right?
One thing boosting does is wear an engine out a lot faster than otherwise. Once you have one of those boosting gizmo's on board, you won't be able to keep your foot out of it!
I've torn down and rebuilt enough burned up turbo'd engines to know.
Anyway, it's your money and I'm sure you'll enjoy the boost regardless.
For me, for all that money and time, I'd rather install a hopped up V6 or small bock V8 that is normally asperated and built for the abuse and keep it clean lean and mean!
I dont' like Ford's modular V8's. 90 degree angle is way out of line and just plain unnecessary IMO and for what it is, it's output sucks anyway.
Scrmng, yeah so what. My primary complaintsare too much plumbing, waste heat, lubrication problems down the road and all the other potential hazards wear and tear turbo's cause. Yes, they are fun and a good way to increase power output but what a mess! Only my opinion. Take it or leave it pal.
Sorry you got upset. I hope you enjoy your new toy's. That's what they are for after all eh?
Just remember, added Horse Power Costs Money both now and down the road.
One other thing man. You started out saying you are considering purchasing a Super Charger....
Why then all the arguing about Turbo's?
Do you know the difference between a super charger and a turbo?
Re: Mr. Hijacker ;-), why bother boosting your V6 at all? I mean you're using it primarily for work right?
One thing boosting does is wear an engine out a lot faster than otherwise. Once you have one of those boosting gizmo's on board, you won't be able to keep your foot out of it!
I've torn down and rebuilt enough burned up turbo'd engines to know.
Anyway, it's your money and I'm sure you'll enjoy the boost regardless.
For me, for all that money and time, I'd rather install a hopped up V6 or small bock V8 that is normally asperated and built for the abuse and keep it clean lean and mean!
I dont' like Ford's modular V8's. 90 degree angle is way out of line and just plain unnecessary IMO and for what it is, it's output sucks anyway.
Scrmng, yeah so what. My primary complaintsare too much plumbing, waste heat, lubrication problems down the road and all the other potential hazards wear and tear turbo's cause. Yes, they are fun and a good way to increase power output but what a mess! Only my opinion. Take it or leave it pal.
Sorry you got upset. I hope you enjoy your new toy's. That's what they are for after all eh?
Just remember, added Horse Power Costs Money both now and down the road.
One other thing man. You started out saying you are considering purchasing a Super Charger....
Why then all the arguing about Turbo's?
Do you know the difference between a super charger and a turbo?
you've stated your opinion... now go troll somewhere else... LOL!
12-27-2006, 09:31 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
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Wolfey if you don't know anything about turbos then why throw out things you "supposedly" heard about them?
Your statement "lower loss power wise" makes almost no sense. They feed off exhaust, they are not belt driven like a supercharger. So there is no "taking of power to make power"
Turbo lag is a thing of the past, by 2800 rpm, I am boosting nicely.
As far as the plumbing, look at the the PH kit and get back to me.
By the way, I do think the X is a fine piece. Everything I have heard about them sounds like it is quality. The kit def. has the most OEM type finish to it, really looks good sitting there. I am anxious to see the X men get into track season and see what kind of times they post.
Hi,
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
I'd definately go with x-charger. Turbo's are supposedly lower loss power wise but they do have lag where an S/C doesn't and Turdbo's have way way too much space hogging plumbing etc. too.
I have thought about changing the engine out for something with 24 valves that makes a decent 300+ HP stock!
I wonder why Ford didnt' at do that in the first place?
Probably because it would then be too stiff a competitor for the GT.
Of course the solution there would be to up the GT's power accordingly.
Anyway, I think S/C is the way to go IMHO. Simple, straight forward and hey, who cares if you lose 15 or so crank HP to run it.
Wolfey
Your statement "lower loss power wise" makes almost no sense. They feed off exhaust, they are not belt driven like a supercharger. So there is no "taking of power to make power"
Turbo lag is a thing of the past, by 2800 rpm, I am boosting nicely.
As far as the plumbing, look at the the PH kit and get back to me.
By the way, I do think the X is a fine piece. Everything I have heard about them sounds like it is quality. The kit def. has the most OEM type finish to it, really looks good sitting there. I am anxious to see the X men get into track season and see what kind of times they post.
12-27-2006, 09:33 PM
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RE: XCharger Men - Give me your current impressions
ORIGINAL: wolfey2k
You say what I said makes no sense where power losses go.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.
You say what I said makes no sense where power losses go.
Then you say what it means in different words.....??
Anyway, I know plenty about turdbo's.
Like I said, they're a mess compared to x-chargers and there IS a bit of lag even in todays so called non-lagging turd-bo's.
It makes me laugh when people say turbo's are free energy. They aren't. It takes HP to push those exhaust gasses through the turbine and out the tail.
No matter how one boosts HP which by the way means beans,,,it's torque that matters, not HP as HP is simply a mathimaticaly based figure,,,there IS a trade off!
If you're happy with a turbo, good for you. That's all that matters right?
You asked for others opinions. I gave you mine.
If you dont' like it, too bad. Don't ask for opinions if you dont' want to hear them.
Have fun.