underdrive pulley
01-05-2007, 03:33 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: enorym
Thats true...thats why I posted this! I just want everyone to know...what screeming says might be true for him there are way diffrent variables on his car versus any of ours. Some people might have an automatic, manual, bigger tires, smaller tires. ETC ETC. All display diffrently. In this case it was a manual, and was completely stock, and showed a gain. Thats why I posted it. Im tired of having to defend anything I say vs him, he may have done alot for the community but he's not always right and neither am I. BUT again I held up my end and have proof. If I still lived in Detroit Im sure id probly be friends with the guy and go to meets. It just pisses me off that im always in defence to everything I say aginst him. I must say Im proud of him in a sence that he made it into a magizine because he is a v6 owner and he has his car tuned well I must admit. But damn man, what I say is from experiance not opinion.
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
I read that article in 5.0, don't agree with all of it. I've seen different results in gains from other more reputable tuners.
I read that article in 5.0, don't agree with all of it. I've seen different results in gains from other more reputable tuners.
The problem is you are trying to apply your experience with OTHER cars to our 4.0L.... but things are much different with the 4.0L.... just like the guys that say no way can you get 10RWHP from just a muffler swap.... but yet time and time again the dyno shows it...
The fact is... I have ACTUAL experience with the ASP pulley... Not just UD's in general... I'm talking that exact pulley for our 4.0L's... That's the difference...
01-05-2007, 03:42 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: scrming
Once again you don't have a clue... it does not say 20% increase in power! It's say's it slows down your accessories by 25%. What the article actually says is and I quote "So, call the pulley a 10hp gain." Ok... so they were at 194RWHP and went to 204RWHP... that is 10/194 = 5% not 20%... so they got a 5% or 10RWHP gain... ok a bit more than others have shown... but lets look at their actual CLAIM... This is DIRECTLY from the ASP website!
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
Once again, you have shown you are completely clueless and are in dire need of the "Tech Challenged" avatar...
ORIGINAL: enorym
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
Once again, you have shown you are completely clueless and are in dire need of the "Tech Challenged" avatar...
My opinion is that AFTERMARKET COMPANYS MAKE AFTERMARKET PARTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS. Not to do the same job the OEM part did. They post thier results depending on thier conditions. Logic at this point is not flawed its just altered depending on variables I agree. Im just tired of having to defend aftermarket bolt ons aginst you. What other mods have you done? I see supercharger, bmr control arms, wheels, tires, then the rest body clading not said with insult to injury, and NOS, and your running very impressive times to say the least. Did I miss any mods? I seriously want to know the rest of your mod list. Ive seen your dyno sheets Ive seen you in the magizine and thought that it was impressive that you did that "thumbs up" but man dont be soo full of youself, you dont know me but im sure if you did you would have a totaly diffrent opinion on what I say and how I say it. Again I'll refrase what ive said in the past posts in arguments with you and be more professional about it...I dont care for your body cladding, and apperance modifications, but mechanicly speaking your car is impressive and im glad to see someone make it that far to show people that it is possible with a 4.0l.
01-05-2007, 03:57 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: enorym
I beg to differ that I am tech challanged. I think that you should pick up some tools and stop paying out of your pocket but Ill leave it at that enough with the querky insults. I want to be nice to you but every time you talk you say lol at the end of your sentances. And its annoying lol. NO but seriously. I posted it it says what I said it said its in a reprateable magizine and you still deny it happend. I think you just cant stand that I know alot, and am a mechanic by hart and trade and run a radiator business. Im here to help other mustang owners not fight with them, you have your own opinion I have mine.
My opinion is that AFTERMARKET COMPANYS MAKE AFTERMARKET PARTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS. Not to do the same job the OEM part did. They post thier results depending on thier conditions. Logic at this point is not flawed its just altered depending on variables I agree. Im just tired of having to defend aftermarket bolt ons aginst you. What other mods have you done? I see supercharger, bmr control arms, wheels, tires, then the rest body clading not said with insult to injury, and NOS, and your running very impressive times to say the least. Did I miss any mods? I seriously want to know the rest of your mod list. Ive seen your dyno sheets Ive seen you in the magizine and thought that it was impressive that you did that "thumbs up" but man dont be soo full of youself, you dont know me but im sure if you did you would have a totaly diffrent opinion on what I say and how I say it. Again I'll refrase what ive said in the past posts in arguments with you and be more professional about it...I dont care for your body cladding, and apperance modifications, but mechanicly speaking your car is impressive and im glad to see someone make it that far to show people that it is possible with a 4.0l.
I beg to differ that I am tech challanged. I think that you should pick up some tools and stop paying out of your pocket but Ill leave it at that enough with the querky insults. I want to be nice to you but every time you talk you say lol at the end of your sentances. And its annoying lol. NO but seriously. I posted it it says what I said it said its in a reprateable magizine and you still deny it happend. I think you just cant stand that I know alot, and am a mechanic by hart and trade and run a radiator business. Im here to help other mustang owners not fight with them, you have your own opinion I have mine.
My opinion is that AFTERMARKET COMPANYS MAKE AFTERMARKET PARTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS. Not to do the same job the OEM part did. They post thier results depending on thier conditions. Logic at this point is not flawed its just altered depending on variables I agree. Im just tired of having to defend aftermarket bolt ons aginst you. What other mods have you done? I see supercharger, bmr control arms, wheels, tires, then the rest body clading not said with insult to injury, and NOS, and your running very impressive times to say the least. Did I miss any mods? I seriously want to know the rest of your mod list. Ive seen your dyno sheets Ive seen you in the magizine and thought that it was impressive that you did that "thumbs up" but man dont be soo full of youself, you dont know me but im sure if you did you would have a totaly diffrent opinion on what I say and how I say it. Again I'll refrase what ive said in the past posts in arguments with you and be more professional about it...I dont care for your body cladding, and apperance modifications, but mechanicly speaking your car is impressive and im glad to see someone make it that far to show people that it is possible with a 4.0l.
And why the heck would I wrench on my own car when I have some of the best Mustang mechanics in the country... not to mention Scott Hoag, on my "team"... Scott has forgotten more about Mustangs than you'll ever hope to know...
01-05-2007, 04:16 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: scrming
Once again you don't have a clue... it does not say 20% increase in power! It's say's it slows down your accessories by 25%. What the article actually says is and I quote "So, call the pulley a 10hp gain." Ok... so they were at 194RWHP and went to 204RWHP... that is 10/194 = 5% not 20%... so they got a 5% or 10RWHP gain... ok a bit more than others have shown... but lets look at their actual CLAIM... This is DIRECTLY from the ASP website!
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
ORIGINAL: enorym
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
Wahooo!!!!! LOL!
Besides, most of what I have been seeing here is talk about HP. The only real difference would be at the track......At least that is my experience with using ASP pullies on LS1's.......Apples to oranges but same concept. Minimal HP gains, but on the track was .20 and 1-2 MPH.......
If I saw.10 and 1 mph gain consistently with the 4.0, I would be pleased...........
01-05-2007, 04:18 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
i don't wanna get in the middle of an argument. But what most people are forgetting is that the numbers claim gains of up to 16.2 hp. That doesn't mean that with a stock car you will gain 16.2 that means in my opinion with all the performance parts you can throw on before the underdive pulley. that after you install the UD pulley you will get that signifigant gain. I mean like a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Nitrous, Tuner....etc.etc.etc Then with all said parts you will see the optimum gain of 16.2 hp. In my opinion i've always taken any manufacturer hp gains to that degree.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
01-05-2007, 05:00 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: merlinsrealm
20%??? Now that would be nice......42 more flywheel horse from a 200.00 bolt-on.........
Wahooo!!!!! LOL!
Besides, most of what I have been seeing here is talk about HP. The only real difference would be at the track......At least that is my experience with using ASP pullies on LS1's.......Apples to oranges but same concept. Minimal HP gains, but on the track was .20 and 1-2 MPH.......
If I saw.10 and 1 mph gain consistently with the 4.0, I would be pleased...........
ORIGINAL: scrming
Once again you don't have a clue... it does not say 20% increase in power! It's say's it slows down your accessories by 25%. What the article actually says is and I quote "So, call the pulley a 10hp gain." Ok... so they were at 194RWHP and went to 204RWHP... that is 10/194 = 5% not 20%... so they got a 5% or 10RWHP gain... ok a bit more than others have shown... but lets look at their actual CLAIM... This is DIRECTLY from the ASP website!
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
ORIGINAL: enorym
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power. Ill scan it so you can have a crap about it. BTW its a 86 inch belt.
They are claiming 16 RWHP... but 5.0 only got 10.... Doug got 6.... ???? Even 10 is almost 40% below the advertised claim!
I found a bit bigger view of the dyno sheet: http://www.lmperformance.com/5925/87.html Click on the sheet for the larger view...
What you will find is they did the base line pull and the pulley run were 5.5 hours apart... Did they take the car off the dyno? Did the weather change? At a bare minimum they should have been using SAE correction! While my testing has never been perfect (mainly because I'm paying out of my own pocket to test OTHER peoples products) I know enough to make sure things are SAE corrected... yet they sheet clearly states STD...
Wahooo!!!!! LOL!
Besides, most of what I have been seeing here is talk about HP. The only real difference would be at the track......At least that is my experience with using ASP pullies on LS1's.......Apples to oranges but same concept. Minimal HP gains, but on the track was .20 and 1-2 MPH.......
If I saw.10 and 1 mph gain consistently with the 4.0, I would be pleased...........
01-05-2007, 05:03 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: Ronaele05
i don't wanna get in the middle of an argument. But what most people are forgetting is that the numbers claim gains of up to 16.2 hp. That doesn't mean that with a stock car you will gain 16.2 that means in my opinion with all the performance parts you can throw on before the underdive pulley. that after you install the UD pulley you will get that signifigant gain. I mean like a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Nitrous, Tuner....etc.etc.etc Then with all said parts you will see the optimum gain of 16.2 hp. In my opinion i've always taken any manufacturer hp gains to that degree.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
i don't wanna get in the middle of an argument. But what most people are forgetting is that the numbers claim gains of up to 16.2 hp. That doesn't mean that with a stock car you will gain 16.2 that means in my opinion with all the performance parts you can throw on before the underdive pulley. that after you install the UD pulley you will get that signifigant gain. I mean like a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Nitrous, Tuner....etc.etc.etc Then with all said parts you will see the optimum gain of 16.2 hp. In my opinion i've always taken any manufacturer hp gains to that degree.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
"I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power."
The FACT is the article DID NOT say 20%.... It said 10RWHP gain... That is not 20%... Enorym comes in here and posts this stuff and then gets mad when I correct him..
01-05-2007, 05:07 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: scrming
You're right... you are probably a great guy personally... I'm sure we could hang out and kick back a couple of colds ones... (I used to live in the Detroit area... and I worked in a very bad part of Detroit... I'm talking Detroit... not the suburbs..)
The problem is you are trying to apply your experience with OTHER cars to our 4.0L.... but things are much different with the 4.0L.... just like the guys that say no way can you get 10RWHP from just a muffler swap.... but yet time and time again the dyno shows it...
The fact is... I have ACTUAL experience with the ASP pulley... Not just UD's in general... I'm talking that exact pulley for our 4.0L's... That's the difference...
ORIGINAL: enorym
Thats true...thats why I posted this! I just want everyone to know...what screeming says might be true for him there are way diffrent variables on his car versus any of ours. Some people might have an automatic, manual, bigger tires, smaller tires. ETC ETC. All display diffrently. In this case it was a manual, and was completely stock, and showed a gain. Thats why I posted it. Im tired of having to defend anything I say vs him, he may have done alot for the community but he's not always right and neither am I. BUT again I held up my end and have proof. If I still lived in Detroit Im sure id probly be friends with the guy and go to meets. It just pisses me off that im always in defence to everything I say aginst him. I must say Im proud of him in a sence that he made it into a magizine because he is a v6 owner and he has his car tuned well I must admit. But damn man, what I say is from experiance not opinion.
ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke
I read that article in 5.0, don't agree with all of it. I've seen different results in gains from other more reputable tuners.
I read that article in 5.0, don't agree with all of it. I've seen different results in gains from other more reputable tuners.
The problem is you are trying to apply your experience with OTHER cars to our 4.0L.... but things are much different with the 4.0L.... just like the guys that say no way can you get 10RWHP from just a muffler swap.... but yet time and time again the dyno shows it...
The fact is... I have ACTUAL experience with the ASP pulley... Not just UD's in general... I'm talking that exact pulley for our 4.0L's... That's the difference...
01-05-2007, 05:09 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
i wasnt directing that at you Scrming. i was making a statement that by looking at the post it is an up for debate topic that both sides feel strongly about. I was also pointing out that the manufacturer obviously wants to sell their product so they make outlandish claims that may be possible on a fully tuned car with items not mentioned by said manufacturer
01-05-2007, 05:14 PM
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RE: underdrive pulley
ORIGINAL: scrming
I'm not FIGHTING about gains or claims... Go back and re-read enorym's post, please... He stated and I quote:
"I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power."
The FACT is the article DID NOT say 20%.... It said 10RWHP gain... That is not 20%... Enorym comes in here and posts this stuff and then gets mad when I correct him..
ORIGINAL: Ronaele05
i don't wanna get in the middle of an argument. But what most people are forgetting is that the numbers claim gains of up to 16.2 hp. That doesn't mean that with a stock car you will gain 16.2 that means in my opinion with all the performance parts you can throw on before the underdive pulley. that after you install the UD pulley you will get that signifigant gain. I mean like a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Nitrous, Tuner....etc.etc.etc Then with all said parts you will see the optimum gain of 16.2 hp. In my opinion i've always taken any manufacturer hp gains to that degree.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
i don't wanna get in the middle of an argument. But what most people are forgetting is that the numbers claim gains of up to 16.2 hp. That doesn't mean that with a stock car you will gain 16.2 that means in my opinion with all the performance parts you can throw on before the underdive pulley. that after you install the UD pulley you will get that signifigant gain. I mean like a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, Cams, Nitrous, Tuner....etc.etc.etc Then with all said parts you will see the optimum gain of 16.2 hp. In my opinion i've always taken any manufacturer hp gains to that degree.
NOW QUIT FIGHTING. i may not be right but we don't need to mustang owners at each other's throat over a damn manufacturer's estimated gains.
"I have an artical in the latest mustang 5.0 magazine that says its a 20% increase in power."
The FACT is the article DID NOT say 20%.... It said 10RWHP gain... That is not 20%... Enorym comes in here and posts this stuff and then gets mad when I correct him..