Camaro
05-24-2007, 01:11 AM
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RE: Camaro
ORIGINAL: LL88
Yea, personally Im not sure if the V8 camaros will make it that well. If they are priced where they are expected, around 35k for a coupe, then I dont think they can compete with a mustang. Correct me if Im wrong, a stripped GT is mid 20's???? Plus, for 35K, thats awfully close to a corvette. I would definitely go with a corvette over a camaro, and I think alot of other people would too. For the money, you cant beat a stang!
Yea, personally Im not sure if the V8 camaros will make it that well. If they are priced where they are expected, around 35k for a coupe, then I dont think they can compete with a mustang. Correct me if Im wrong, a stripped GT is mid 20's???? Plus, for 35K, thats awfully close to a corvette. I would definitely go with a corvette over a camaro, and I think alot of other people would too. For the money, you cant beat a stang!
also, the camaro will probably have a 5.7 liter V8 and chevy has ALWAYS underrated their HP on the cars. go back and look at the 67 Z/28. rated at 290 HP, but it's 302 was dynoed to push out over 350-400 hp.i think i recall that the 02 SS was 330 hp rated, but most people said it pushed out around 350 hp, all stock.
honestly, i've ALWAYS loved camaros (i do lean more to chevy than ford, but i love domestics overall) it's the first muscle car i've driven. i don't like this new body style though, so i'm glad i've got my stang.
one last thing, the camaro is going to have an independent rear suspension with corvette inspired suspension all around. that's going to mean it can handle a lot of power relatively easily compared to the live rear axle in our car. if anyone knows, the reason we have a live rear axle instead of a independent is because it's 5k more. so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
05-24-2007, 03:41 AM
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RE: Camaro
the thng with the 3.5 i be;ieve its dohc if they do do that. but even wen the ls1 camaros were out the gt mustang was rated at 260 but the camaro was 305 or 315 so the mustang gts will prbly stay the same and ford will fill the gapr with a a new mach 1 or bullit to cover the price and there will be the v6camaro (starting at probly 23k) z28 probly starting at 28k and the ss around 30k or mid 30s so it depends on how gm handles it i think. so i wouldn't expect ford to jump to conclusions until they actually have some competition.
i mean think about the mustang is unopposed for anyone in the ballpark for a 20-30 grand muscle car for the last 5 years trhe only answer has been mustang. the charger is big n bulky 4 door sedan and doesnt get muscular till the daytona or r/t or srt8 all plus 30k just like the gto. but the mustang is unopposed. what ford needs to do is start re-releasing the bullitt the mach 1 even to bridge the gap.
i mean think about the mustang is unopposed for anyone in the ballpark for a 20-30 grand muscle car for the last 5 years trhe only answer has been mustang. the charger is big n bulky 4 door sedan and doesnt get muscular till the daytona or r/t or srt8 all plus 30k just like the gto. but the mustang is unopposed. what ford needs to do is start re-releasing the bullitt the mach 1 even to bridge the gap.
05-24-2007, 11:20 AM
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RE: Camaro
[quote]ORIGINAL: sdsguy
I don't think so. Look at our V6 Mustangs........Car & Driver Magazine rated it #1 for the fastest car for under $20K.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
ORIGINAL: LL88
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
05-24-2007, 12:31 PM
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RE: Camaro
[quote]ORIGINAL: 07 Stang
don't get me wrong. the v6 mustang is a great car, thats why i have it. for under 20, it really is the best car. what i'm comparing though are the z/28 and ss camaros to the mustang GT. a stock mustang GT has no chance against a stock z/28 and it's not even a close race to the ss. the camaro did rather well for 35 years. the only thing, imo, that led to it's down fall is my generation, generation x who were more interested in ricers than muscle. the reason the mustang is doing so great is because the baby boomer age has tons of money to buy the v8's and the v6's are affordable sports cars, something i must say the camaro has never had. what the mustang lacks, i.e. a 6 speed tranny, independent rear suspension, a larger engine displacement, the camaro has. in my personal view, that makes the z/28 worth the high 20's low 30's that it will probably cost.
ORIGINAL: sdsguy
I don't think so. Look at our V6 Mustangs........Car & Driver Magazine rated it #1 for the fastest car for under $20K.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
ORIGINAL: LL88
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
05-24-2007, 12:31 PM
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RE: Camaro
the challenger and camaro will be out of the price range of current mustangs, the v6 camaro, with a cam in block 3.9 v6 is expected to go for about 26, almost 10k more than people are driving away in mustangs for. it just won't compete.
05-24-2007, 12:48 PM
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RE: Camaro
[quote]ORIGINAL: sdsguy
sorry, but if I'm going to spend more money on a car I will purchase a Saleen or Shelby. I still think the Mustang GT will be the best bang for the buck.
However, I must say anytime people purchase American over foreign makes me proud. I can't tell you how many times I get sick watching TV commercials about the Toyota Tundra! Americans who purchase foreign cars are hurting the American car industry. Sure some say, like my neighbor who just bought a 2007 Mazda3, American cars aren't built with quality like Japanese carsand they don't hold their value as long. I think it's time for a change or American cars will be fewer and fewer on the roads.
Sorry for ranting.....I had to vent some.
ORIGINAL: 07 Stang
don't get me wrong. the v6 mustang is a great car, thats why i have it. for under 20, it really is the best car. what i'm comparing though are the z/28 and ss camaros to the mustang GT. a stock mustang GT has no chance against a stock z/28 and it's not even a close race to the ss. the camaro did rather well for 35 years. the only thing, imo, that led to it's down fall is my generation, generation x who were more interested in ricers than muscle. the reason the mustang is doing so great is because the baby boomer age has tons of money to buy the v8's and the v6's are affordable sports cars, something i must say the camaro has never had. what the mustang lacks, i.e. a 6 speed tranny, independent rear suspension, a larger engine displacement, the camaro has. in my personal view, that makes the z/28 worth the high 20's low 30's that it will probably cost.
ORIGINAL: sdsguy
I don't think so. Look at our V6 Mustangs........Car & Driver Magazine rated it #1 for the fastest car for under $20K.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
ORIGINAL: LL88
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
.... so in all reality, the camaro is probably going to the best bang for the buck car out in the market.
Just look at the past when Camero went head to head with Mustang......how long did Camero stay in the game before throwing in the towel?!
Now Dodge has thrown down the gauntlet in the Pony Warswith their concept car....Challenger. The Charger in my opinion is considered a 4 door sedan, not a 2 door sports car.
However, I must say anytime people purchase American over foreign makes me proud. I can't tell you how many times I get sick watching TV commercials about the Toyota Tundra! Americans who purchase foreign cars are hurting the American car industry. Sure some say, like my neighbor who just bought a 2007 Mazda3, American cars aren't built with quality like Japanese carsand they don't hold their value as long. I think it's time for a change or American cars will be fewer and fewer on the roads.
Sorry for ranting.....I had to vent some.