Why? Ford could have put the 3.5L EcoBoost in the Stang!
04-07-2009, 08:18 PM
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Have you actually looked at the 3.5 ecoboost motor setup? Those two little turbo's aren't gonna take but a fraction of a second to spool up. It's the whole reason for using two smaller turbo's instead of one bigger one. This motor will do big business in whatever vehicle Ford puts it into.....they just need to make sure one of those cars is the Stang.
04-08-2009, 01:45 AM
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Quote:
"The V6 motor delivers an estimated 263 horsepower and 249 foot-pounds of torque. It earns a ULEV-II emissions certification and comes paired with a choice of two new six-speed automatic transmissions. The regular car is offered in SE and SEL trim levels. Ford also launched performance-oriented SHO EcoBoost model.
Critically, the new 2010 Taurus starts at $25,995 -- the same price as the prior model. The uplevel SEL starts at $27,995 and the top-end Limited sets buyers back $31,995."
Nobody's paying $26,000 for a base model Mustang. Ford needs to have one engine option for each of the 3 levels of performance (V6, GT, GT500) and extra 6 cylinder option would increase their costs on each of the current engines. And 263 is too much power for a base model car.
The name "Mustang" limits what they can do. Bummer, because there are lots of us that would love the option of having the Duratec engine!
"The V6 motor delivers an estimated 263 horsepower and 249 foot-pounds of torque. It earns a ULEV-II emissions certification and comes paired with a choice of two new six-speed automatic transmissions. The regular car is offered in SE and SEL trim levels. Ford also launched performance-oriented SHO EcoBoost model.
Critically, the new 2010 Taurus starts at $25,995 -- the same price as the prior model. The uplevel SEL starts at $27,995 and the top-end Limited sets buyers back $31,995."
Nobody's paying $26,000 for a base model Mustang. Ford needs to have one engine option for each of the 3 levels of performance (V6, GT, GT500) and extra 6 cylinder option would increase their costs on each of the current engines. And 263 is too much power for a base model car.
The name "Mustang" limits what they can do. Bummer, because there are lots of us that would love the option of having the Duratec engine!
04-08-2009, 02:13 AM
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Have you actually looked at the 3.5 ecoboost motor setup? Those two little turbo's aren't gonna take but a fraction of a second to spool up. It's the whole reason for using two smaller turbo's instead of one bigger one. This motor will do big business in whatever vehicle Ford puts it into.....they just need to make sure one of those cars is the Stang.
Agreed. The reason why it is a two turbo system is to reduce lag:
http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=29660
"The new EcoBoost engine strategically uses two small turbochargers rather than one larger one. This is to fight turbo lag, the tendency for previous generation turbocharged engines to have hesitation at low engine revs while the turbocharger spooled up to its operating speed. The EcoBoost V-6 is the first application of twin turbos in a Ford.
EcoBoost’s smaller turbines are quick to respond to throttle inputs, spooling up instantly. Mated with direct fuel injection, turbo lag in the EcoBoost V-6 is imperceptible and torque output is impressive, peaking earlier in the rev range than a comparable, normally aspirated V-8."
04-08-2009, 03:44 AM
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Not if your next trim level is putting out 400 hp. Even at 263 hp, that would be the biggest gap in power between the V6 and GT that the Mustang has ever seen. If Ford does indeed switch to the 5.0, I think the V6 should at least get the 3.5. But I would rather see the 3.7 in it instead. It has slightly more HP, and better torque.
04-09-2009, 01:21 AM
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Not if your next trim level is putting out 400 hp. Even at 263 hp, that would be the biggest gap in power between the V6 and GT that the Mustang has ever seen. If Ford does indeed switch to the 5.0, I think the V6 should at least get the 3.5. But I would rather see the 3.7 in it instead. It has slightly more HP, and better torque.
04-09-2009, 08:38 AM
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wow its amazing the lack of turbo knowledge here. first off turbo lag yes and no. a twin setup will ALWAYS take more time to spool than a single turbo ALWAYS. a single turbo uses exhaust pulses from both sides of the motor essentially one right after the other, so therefore no spool time. a twin kit only uses pulses from the side which its on. yes a smaller turbo will spool faster but look at the tiny little motor. have you ever heard the term "there is no replacement for displacement" F&ck a 3.5. go buy a frickin lawnmover engine and drop it in. just my $.02
04-09-2009, 07:27 PM
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why then do so many of the fastest cars on the planet have twin turbochargers?
Or quads, like the Bugatti?
Just wondering?
And 210 hp is plenty for a base model Mustang! No need to give your 16 year old a 300 hp car! Bet Chevy never thought about the high cost of insuring a 300+hp base model for a new driver!
Just saw 2 highschool kids got wiped out the other day in a silver GT. I bet their parents wished they'd given them a slower car instead!
Or quads, like the Bugatti?
Just wondering?
And 210 hp is plenty for a base model Mustang! No need to give your 16 year old a 300 hp car! Bet Chevy never thought about the high cost of insuring a 300+hp base model for a new driver!
Just saw 2 highschool kids got wiped out the other day in a silver GT. I bet their parents wished they'd given them a slower car instead!
04-09-2009, 08:53 PM
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wow its amazing the lack of turbo knowledge here. first off turbo lag yes and no. a twin setup will ALWAYS take more time to spool than a single turbo ALWAYS. a single turbo uses exhaust pulses from both sides of the motor essentially one right after the other, so therefore no spool time. a twin kit only uses pulses from the side which its on. yes a smaller turbo will spool faster but look at the tiny little motor. have you ever heard the term "there is no replacement for displacement" F&ck a 3.5. go buy a frickin lawnmover engine and drop it in. just my $.02
No you are the one who lacks turbo knowledge. A TT setup will usually spool much faster then a single because the TT setup will have to smaller turbo's which spool quicker then one big turbo. TT setup therefore tend to have better throttle response and have less lag. Generally single turbo setups will have more lag but will move more air in the higher RPM's. The ecoboost motor makes max torque rediculusly low because of this.
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