Why? Ford could have put the 3.5L EcoBoost in the Stang!
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As far as the EcoBoost 3.5L finding its way into the Mustang, I believe we will see it soon. I recently read a quote from Ford executive who says Ford plans to have Ecoboost in 90% of its vehicles in just a few years.
Furthermore here is a post I made on this topic a few weeks back.
Of course Ford is not confirming an ecoboost motor for the Mustang. Neither will you see them confirming a 4v 5.0L. WHY??? They want to sell 2010 Mustangs, that's why. How many people have you already heard on this site write that they like the new model but will wait to buy when thy find out whats up with the powertrains in 2011. It wouldn't be a very good marketing plan to say "Buy a 2010 Mustang GT," and then at the same time say "the 2011 will come with 85 more horsepower."
I think it will be a little while before we hear official word from Ford on these motors. I expect them to arrive in 2011 but would not be suprised if it doesn't happen until 2012.
I think this strategy is a very wise one. Boost in sales when the new 2010 design is realesed. Then when the new designs sales begin to fizzly out, they release all new motors. A few years later, we will probably see an all-new Mustang (ie not a face lifted version of the S197).
I disagree. Ford's current 4.0L is not at all competitive with any V6 on the market including the Camaro's V6. If the Ford does up the power of the GT with 5.0L and TT 3.5L engine options then 263hp for a base model would make sense. Also a Duratec 35 or 37 would bring the base Mustang into the mid to low 14's in the 1/4, right about where the V6 Camaro sits.
Furthermore here is a post I made on this topic a few weeks back.
Of course Ford is not confirming an ecoboost motor for the Mustang. Neither will you see them confirming a 4v 5.0L. WHY??? They want to sell 2010 Mustangs, that's why. How many people have you already heard on this site write that they like the new model but will wait to buy when thy find out whats up with the powertrains in 2011. It wouldn't be a very good marketing plan to say "Buy a 2010 Mustang GT," and then at the same time say "the 2011 will come with 85 more horsepower."
I think this strategy is a very wise one. Boost in sales when the new 2010 design is realesed. Then when the new designs sales begin to fizzly out, they release all new motors. A few years later, we will probably see an all-new Mustang (ie not a face lifted version of the S197).
I disagree. Ford's current 4.0L is not at all competitive with any V6 on the market including the Camaro's V6. If the Ford does up the power of the GT with 5.0L and TT 3.5L engine options then 263hp for a base model would make sense. Also a Duratec 35 or 37 would bring the base Mustang into the mid to low 14's in the 1/4, right about where the V6 Camaro sits.
#22
im sorry sir but you are definately wrong on this no chance in hell a tt setup spools faster than a single turbo. i mean think about it for a second. read what i wrote and you will figure it out.
LOL
No you are the one who lacks turbo knowledge. A TT setup will usually spool much faster then a single because the TT setup will have to smaller turbo's which spool quicker then one big turbo. TT setup therefore tend to have better throttle response and have less lag. Generally single turbo setups will have more lag but will move more air in the higher RPM's. The ecoboost motor makes max torque rediculusly low because of this.
Read this.
No you are the one who lacks turbo knowledge. A TT setup will usually spool much faster then a single because the TT setup will have to smaller turbo's which spool quicker then one big turbo. TT setup therefore tend to have better throttle response and have less lag. Generally single turbo setups will have more lag but will move more air in the higher RPM's. The ecoboost motor makes max torque rediculusly low because of this.
Read this.
#23
LOL
No you are the one who lacks turbo knowledge. A TT setup will usually spool much faster then a single because the TT setup will have to smaller turbo's which spool quicker then one big turbo. TT setup therefore tend to have better throttle response and have less lag. Generally single turbo setups will have more lag but will move more air in the higher RPM's. The ecoboost motor makes max torque rediculusly low because of this.
Read this.
No you are the one who lacks turbo knowledge. A TT setup will usually spool much faster then a single because the TT setup will have to smaller turbo's which spool quicker then one big turbo. TT setup therefore tend to have better throttle response and have less lag. Generally single turbo setups will have more lag but will move more air in the higher RPM's. The ecoboost motor makes max torque rediculusly low because of this.
Read this.
Last edited by teksp0rt; 04-10-2009 at 01:05 PM.
#24
Oh OK.
Did you read the link I sent you? For a single turbo to make equal power to a twin turbo setup it has to be much larger. EVEN THOUGHT it is receiving exhaust from both sides of the motor, it will not spool faster. Get your information together and please provide some proof to your opinion. There is a very good reason why most production V6 and V8 cars use TT setups. It isn't because they are more economical, they are generally more expensive. It's because the fast spooling TT setup improves throttle response and therefore it also improves driveability.
Now this is all assuming equal power outputs between the TT and T setup. Obviously if you slap a really small turbo on a V8 it will spool faster then a TT setup but make far less power.
Last edited by 83gtragtop; 04-10-2009 at 11:48 PM.
#25
Yes, there is less lag because the turbine is smaller as 83 ragtop noted... and one turbine can be used to spool the second turbine from my understanding which, basically reduces almost all of the lag. this is essentially what BMW did with the 335 engine... it is not an old engine with two large turbines slapped onto it like the 300ZX.
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