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Old 05-10-2012, 01:03 AM   #1
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Default Decisions, Decisions. I need a little advice.

I was hoping the late night crew could help me out. I'm going to lay out a set of options that I'm considering and I would like you guys to tell me which one you would go with.

EDIT: Quick question: Do I need to get 2 new cam phaser bolts no matter what cam I get?


I have BBK Ceramic Long Tubes on the way to my door.

A) Buy some Detroit Rockers/FRPP Hot Rod cams. Keep and install headers(will have to buy a shorty mid pipe). Use Bama tune. Cost: ~$1200

B) Buy some Detroit Rockers/FRPP Hot Rod cams. Sell headers(They are brand new and I got a good deal on them. Could probably make $100). Install cams, Use Bama Tune. Pay for dyno runs to see what my numbers are. Cost: ~$720

C) Buy some Detroit Rockers/FRPP Hot Rod cams. Sell headers, install cams. Pay for a dyno tune($400). Cost: ~$1000

D) Keep and install headers(will have to buy a shorty mid pipe). Use Bama tune. Cost: ~$600 With dyno runs Cost: ~720



What to do? I would like to know the numbers I'm making, but I also would like to have headers and cams installed.
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keep the headers and get the cams. might cost a bit more but the headers and cam go hand in hand. u will pick up a good amount of hp with both. right around 30 or so. dyno tune for those mods wouldnt be in your best interest since bama and brenspeed and many other tuners have perfected there tunes on these
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:31 AM   #3
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keep the headers and get the cams. might cost a bit more but the headers and cam go hand in hand. u will pick up a good amount of hp with both. right around 30 or so. dyno tune for those mods wouldnt be in your best interest since bama and brenspeed and many other tuners have perfected there tunes on these
That second part is good to hear. I have a deal on some NSR Stage 2 Comp Cams and Steeda UDPs, but their idle is almost unnoticeable. However, I may end up going with them because I'm getting them and the UDPs for the price of what I would pay for just cams anywhere else. I'm gonna have a lot of stuff to install soon! I wonder if I can borrow the wedge and compressor that I need..
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I believe u can rent the tools and I know there are some guyst here that have them that occassionally lend them out
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If that's the case, I'd really appreciate it if they could lend them to me. I may be able to lend from somewhere local though.

I edited this into the OP. Quick question: Do I need to get 2 new cam phaser bolts no matter what cam I get?
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If that's the case, I'd really appreciate it if they could lend them to me. I may be able to lend from somewhere local though.

I edited this into the OP. Quick question: Do I need to get 2 new cam phaser bolts no matter what cam I get?
Yes you need 2 bolts, one for each side!

Do both, and make some dyno runs. If the email tune looks like crap, I'm sure you can get the dyno tune from the guy and not pay for the pulls, since you're getting it tuned.
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Yes you need 2 bolts, one for each side!

Do both, and make some dyno runs. If the email tune looks like crap, I'm sure you can get the dyno tune from the guy and not pay for the pulls, since you're getting it tuned.
That's possible. I'll just have to save for a while longer before I put them on if I go that route.



EDIT: Do you guys think it will be too loud if I go cams and headers with an offroad H? Should I go with a high flow catted?
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The headers wont make a volume difference since you already have an O/R H. The cams will make the car much louder at idle, but just that. Toss some M-80's in or change your axlebacks for a volume difference.
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I like the volume that my car is at now, so that's good. It sounds like I just need to find a shorty o/r h pipe and I'll be good to go. It's going to be an adventure putting both of these in. I have a lift available and all the tools I will need, but I've never done anything like this before.
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I like the volume that my car is at now, so that's good. It sounds like I just need to find a shorty o/r h pipe and I'll be good to go. It's going to be an adventure putting both of these in. I have a lift available and all the tools I will need, but I've never done anything like this before.
Its not that bad man. If you have the ability too, you could just cut your O/R pipe now to mate up to the BBK's

The install isn't bad man. If you want I can PM you my cell and you can call/text with any questions. Its easy!
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That would be great. I would really appreciate it. And I do have access to a machine that I could use to cut my current pipe, but I wasn't sure how it mated up to the long tubes because they haven't arrived yet. That would save me a couple hundred bucks though for sure.



edit: What do I do about the O2 sensor location?
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That would be great. I would really appreciate it. And I do have access to a machine that I could use to cut my current pipe, but I wasn't sure how it mated up to the long tubes because they haven't arrived yet. That would save me a couple hundred bucks though for sure.



edit: What do I do about the O2 sensor location?
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For the O2's you will need at least 2 extensions for the fronts. Since you got real longtubes, you will need to extend the front O2's to reach. I needed 4, but you could get away with 2. AM's site shows they come in the box, so I wouldn't worry.

Your tune will compensate for the distance difference of the front O2's. Since they are much further downstream, they take longer to heat up.
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I know there are 2 O2 sensors on each side. Are you saying I can get away with 2 total(1 on each side)? I am assuming the protrusion on the headers is for O2 sensors? I just noticed in some of the shorty h pipe pics, they had holes for O2 sensors like the link below. If that is the case, do I need to cut O2 sensor holes in my current h pipe?

http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-sh...t-offroad.html
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I am in Statesboro, but I have family in Woodstock. Why, what's up?
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Bumping with an update. I just bought Comp Cams Stage 2 127200 cams and Steeda UDPs. I am currently leaning towards putting all of them on and running a Bama tune. I want to get in touch with Eric and see if he thinks a dyno tune would net me much. If not, I will just do some dyno pulls over there.
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I know there are 2 O2 sensors on each side. Are you saying I can get away with 2 total(1 on each side)? I am assuming the protrusion on the headers is for O2 sensors? I just noticed in some of the shorty h pipe pics, they had holes for O2 sensors like the link below. If that is the case, do I need to cut O2 sensor holes in my current h pipe?

http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-sh...t-offroad.html
I think we're over-complicating this. You need all 4 (2 front, which live in the header collectors, and 2 in the rear) O2's. I thought your question was retaining to how many O2 extenders you need. Your current H pipe should already have the O2 bungs in it, but if the part you cut off has them you will need new bungs.

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Bumping with an update. I just bought Comp Cams Stage 2 127200 cams and Steeda UDPs. I am currently leaning towards putting all of them on and running a Bama tune. I want to get in touch with Eric and see if he thinks a dyno tune would net me much. If not, I will just do some dyno pulls over there.
Awesome. The way you do the install without the spring compressor is as follows:
Take out spark plugs, get to the point where you have valve covers off.
Rotate engine to 12:00 and verify with cam position on each side
Back the cam caps off slowly, and remove the 3 unloaded followers.
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rotate engine to 6:00
Now all the other followers are un-loaded, so you can just remove the caps and replace the cam.

All the spring compressor does is save you the trouble of backing the cam caps off, but it's not difficult and I've heard some people say the spring compressor makes it more difficult.

Feel free to give me a call if you're confused at all!
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Will do. I don't know most of the terminology, but once I figure out which piece corresponds to which name I should get it pretty easily.

Also, since I don't have to worry about emissions, if I have to drill new holes for the O2 sensors, could I just zip tie the back two out of the way and not worry about them?
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Will do. I don't know most of the terminology, but once I figure out which piece corresponds to which name I should get it pretty easily.

Also, since I don't have to worry about emissions, if I have to drill new holes for the O2 sensors, could I just zip tie the back two out of the way and not worry about them?
You could, yes. I know some people that don't have emissions use one of the rear O2's for a wideband sensor.
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I'll have to see where my current O2 sensor holes on my midpipe are then.


I found a write up for the exact cams that I'm gonna be putting in:

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...-write-up.html

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...-page-2-a.html
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