Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
#11
Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
jwog666 cam followers can't collapse they are solid stamped steel. You probably ment lash adjusters.
Anyway judging by the sound you will be tearing that engine apart. The knock sounds like a spun bearing but that isn't the big issue. Those compression readings on bank 2 are. Timing being off 1 tooth or a couple would give you a 0 reading for compression. A bent valve for the valve smacking the piston at 1 tooth off (yes 2v is a zero tolerance engine) will give you a 0 reading on a compression test. 95-125 readings could mean a couple things. scratched cylinders, bad rings, bad valve seats. You need to do a leakdown test to be sure or the backyard mechanic teaspoon of oil in the cylinder compression test.
Good luck.
Anyway judging by the sound you will be tearing that engine apart. The knock sounds like a spun bearing but that isn't the big issue. Those compression readings on bank 2 are. Timing being off 1 tooth or a couple would give you a 0 reading for compression. A bent valve for the valve smacking the piston at 1 tooth off (yes 2v is a zero tolerance engine) will give you a 0 reading on a compression test. 95-125 readings could mean a couple things. scratched cylinders, bad rings, bad valve seats. You need to do a leakdown test to be sure or the backyard mechanic teaspoon of oil in the cylinder compression test.
Good luck.
The entire Bank 2 being low on compression does concern me. I would think that if cam timing were off, all cylinders would be consistently low, rather than the large spread in compression pressures I am seeing. That leads me to believe that it may be a valve sealing problem. The O2 sensor on Bank 2 is stuck rich, which is consistent with low compression pressure and resulting incomplete burn. Unfortunately, I did not assemble this engine. I find it unlikely, though, that if mistakes were made that they would all be on one bank, rather than spread through the engine. I'm still hoping for the best (slight cam timing error). It could also be a problem with the lash adjusters- either not pumping up or stuck. I've ordered a set of new ones and will install them while fixing the timing chain guide. I'll tear into it next week.
Last edited by VTX1800N1; 06-20-2015 at 03:07 AM.
#12
yes i did mean lash adjusters, i have seen the cams be off 5 teeth and not have interference issues, for the piston to contact the valves due to the cam being off would require the cam to be off a quarter turn or so and then it would not start or run, check for oil at the heads, and check for correct cam timing. if either doesnt check out you have found your problem. you still could have more wrong but u wont know till you fix what u find
#13
What ever your next move, I wouldn't make any rash decisions or purchases until you check the timing...........(I actually experienced this).
You can still have compression with the timing off (I did).
PTV contact is no guarantee your motor is shot (mine wasn't, in fact it runs just fine. These motors are pretty tough).
........And another thing.......DON'T drive it like this. If some of that noise is PTV contact, the last thing you want to do is put the motor under load.
You can still have compression with the timing off (I did).
PTV contact is no guarantee your motor is shot (mine wasn't, in fact it runs just fine. These motors are pretty tough).
........And another thing.......DON'T drive it like this. If some of that noise is PTV contact, the last thing you want to do is put the motor under load.
Last edited by MaxxRPM; 06-20-2015 at 10:32 AM.
#14
If bank 2 sensor 1 is reading rich you may have washed the cylinders giving you the low compression. Does the exhaust smell excessively rich? You need to find what's causing that sensor to read rich. Since it's only one side start with the intake and exhaust gaskets.
#15
Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
The sensor could have always been bad. The Bank 1 sensor doesn't oscillate near as much as it should. There were 148K miles on the car at the time of rebuild, and for all I know these could be the original sensors. New Motorcraft sensors are only $35 at Rock Auto, so those are on the way as well. I remember the seller saying that there was a problem with the O2 sensors. The fuel injectors were professionally disassembled, cleaned, and flow tested. The exhaust does not smell overly rich. You get the cold start ethanol smell just like every other engine, but otherwise it's not abnormal at all. The oil does not smell like fuel. There are about 500 miles on the engine since the rebuild.
#16
Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
What ever your next move, I wouldn't make any rash decisions or purchases until you check the timing...........(I actually experienced this).
You can still have compression with the timing off (I did).
PTV contact is no guarantee your motor is shot (mine wasn't, in fact it runs just fine. These motors are pretty tough).
........And another thing.......DON'T drive it like this. If some of that noise is PTV contact, the last thing you want to do is put the motor under load.
You can still have compression with the timing off (I did).
PTV contact is no guarantee your motor is shot (mine wasn't, in fact it runs just fine. These motors are pretty tough).
........And another thing.......DON'T drive it like this. If some of that noise is PTV contact, the last thing you want to do is put the motor under load.
#17
I wouldn't order **** yet.
.........I know it's a lot of wrench time but I'd tear it down and set the timing myself and see what happens.
You realize by the time you buy new cam followers and lash adjusters, you could have just bought brand new heads.....right?
.........I know it's a lot of wrench time but I'd tear it down and set the timing myself and see what happens.
You realize by the time you buy new cam followers and lash adjusters, you could have just bought brand new heads.....right?
#18
Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
Um, no you can't. I got brand new followers and lash adjusters (Summit Racing and Rock Auto) for less than $365 total for the entire engine. Late Model Restoration, American Muscle, Summit Racing, and Butler McMaster all show the 4.6 2V PI heads to be discontinued by Ford and they have none left. Even when they had them, they were $420 - $465 per head, and I think those did not include the lash adjusters and cam followers anyway.
Last edited by VTX1800N1; 06-24-2015 at 09:15 PM.
#20
Rebuilt engine, bad knocking sound
There only strange part about diagnosing the knocking noise is that it didn't get any louder when I took the oil fill cap off. Being that it's right above the chain guide that was flapping around and causing the noise, I would have thought it would change noticeably when I took that cap off. The cam phasers diesel noise in my 05 F150 was the same way, though.