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Old 07-13-2011, 12:57 PM   #1
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Well first of all I just wanted to introduce myself and this is my first post, I usually just float around and listen to what others are doing with their stangs but I'm a little stumped for once. For one I own a 2010 Performance White Mustang GT Premium with 3.73 5 speed 19's and security and comfort packages. I've only done a BBK cai and SSS axle back off-road exhaust and side window louvers. Now I'm a mechanic at a local Ford dealer in NJ so I'm around these cars all day everyday and work on plenty of them and everything I do is by me at work where I have access to my tools and lift.

Now as far as being a little stumped, I'm looking to do an off-road x-pipe but I cannot find any mil eliminators for this car. I'm very **** when it comes to a cel and really do not wanna have one come up. I've done a lot of research and I'm not too sure i trust the o2 defoulers b/c I don't see how they could work considering the exhaust is still a sealed unit and the gases can still reach the sensor nomatter where you put the sensor but thats how i look at. As far as getting a tune I really don't wanna go with a tune just yet just to put a x-pipe in so if anyone has any other guidance to finding an mil eliminator or other alternative that I may be overlooking? Thanks and all help is appreciated
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If you have a BBK CAI then you already purchased a tune correct?
Where did you purchase it from?

If you got it from American Muscle or Brenspeed I would just call them. It is a BLIBBIT of a tune adjustment. NOTHING big at all for them.
I bet they would adjust your tune to solve your problem and not even charge you for it. Just email it to you and you can slap it on your hand held tuner and upload it to the stang and BOOM done!
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I've got the BBK cai that doesn't require a tune from AM for the '10
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If you've got a CAI without a tune, you're giving away most of the potential improvement, never mind sacrificing some of the margin that Ford builds in against running too lean.

Whereabouts in NJ?


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WHAT a CAI without a tune?

MAN.. I'm glad you posted that.
GET A TUNE FOR THAT CAR NOW!

Without a tune you are WASTING money.
I don't care WHAT JLT or ANY company advertise... you will NOT get gains from it.
If you do it will literally be like 2-5 HP and NO MORE.
You are throwing away virtually 80-90 percent of performance gains if you do not have a tune with your CAI. Plus as Norm said.. the running lean factor which you do not want.

Search every forum you can and you will hear the same thing.
GET A TUNE NOW.
Don't throw your money down the toilet.
That is EXACTLY what you are doing without a tune.
There's a possibility you could be harming your car more than helping as well, just as Norm stated.

You need to call AM, order a SCT tuner and a tune.
Going to have to spend some money, 300 smackers or more maybe, but you NEED to do this.

Oh and also the tuner will be a GREAT Investment for the future of your car.
Virtually EVERY performance mod you do on these cars requires a tune adjustment, and if you ever get an engine code for whatever reason, you can just
use your tuner to look up the code and see what the deal is. A hand held tuner and tunes are THE NUMBER ONE thing you need when getting into performance modding.
Plus when you buy from AM, you get free tunes for life after that!

Put that x pipe on hold if you have to man. The tuner NEEDS TO COME FIRST.

If you don't get a tuner and a tune I'm gonna hunt you down on these forums until you do haha!
As I said before future mods will be throwing money down the toilet just like, forgive me for saying, you have done with that CAI without a tune.
And again you will end up throwing a pretty damn messy wrench in that car of yours if you keep performance modding further without a tune.

I can't express this or say it enough.
GET A TUNER AND A TUNE... NOW.
NOW. NOW. NOW. NOW............................... NOW!
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P.S.

If Am tells you you bought a CAI that does not require a tune tell them you want to buy a tuner and tune anyways and tell them the reasons why.
This is a prime example why research needs to be done BEFORE modding a car.
If you want ask for Chris Rose at AM.
He is their go to guy when it comes to tuning and our cars for AM.
He is also A GREAT guy and cares A LOT about Mustang owners.

No worries though man. It was a mistake.
Many run into mistakes along the way when we first start modding.
Just fix the mistake.

Also... reply to this post just so we know you read it ok?
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Hahaha okay I guess i'm gonna gonna have to get the SCT from AM I was just trying to see if I could do it without getting one, I'm not worried about warranty issues considering I work for Ford so I easily get around it
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Glad to hear you caught the replies!

DEFINITELY get the tuner and tune FIRST.
I'd do it freakin' TODAY.

These cars are not like the older models.
The tune is so important in these cars it's not even funny.
Be sure to tell AM ALL your car's details. I'd actually do it online in typing AND THEN call them just to make sure they have everything correct.
Tell them which CAI you have and that it is the one that does not require a tune but you want one regardless.

They are great people there.
I'm glad you made it to the forums and found this out.

As far as the tune and the warranty don't worry at ALL.
It won't be an issue.
If it was going to be.... the CAI just being on there would be a factor.
It wont though...again especially given you work there lol.

Heck I've been to three different dealerships for warranty work on my 06GT when I had it and got NO TROUBLE at all for CAI and a tune.
Even after I had gears, cams, headers and more on it.
The cams were Ford Racing Hot Rod Cams, but the long tube headers were BBK and so was my catted x pipe.

Of course they will never know about the gears unless you tell them if you change them but I wouldn't buy any other brand of gears other than the Ford Racing gears anyways. The others just aren't the same in quality.

Yup, get that SCT tuner and a tune and get on the right "track" lol.
Be sure you tell them you have an X pipe and need the tune to include the adjustment for the x pipe as well so that when you install their tune, it will not
give you problems with having the x pipe on there.


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How about passing emissions? There a real PITA here in jersey, I'm gonna be ordering the o/r x-pipe and tune at the same time so I can do everything all at once at work, and gonna be turning the rear o2's off with the tuner but you think it will go straight through inspection? I dont feel like dealing with those people and getting a big reject sticker like a loser
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Depends. If they do a spot check just looking and starting the engine you are fine.
I'm not sure about a sniff test though. They have a tool they can hook up to your exhaust to check for no cats.
That's what I mean by a sniff test.

If they don't do a sniff test and the tune is adjusted so the light does not come on, you will be fine.
Why did you want to go with an off road vs. a high flow catted x pipe?
Sound? You can get just as good sound with a high flow catted x with the right
exhaust tips.

If they are REALLY that much of a PITA I'd go with a high flow catted x.
UNLESS you are planning to supercharge the car in the future.
Many catted setups result in a BAD outcome when supercharged not from the factory.
They can cause the cats to clog an do damage to the car.
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The plan is to E-force it with the guys at work in the near future, imo I think the E-force is the best/cleanest setup out there and I don't plan on doing any internals
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ok if you have to do emmisions then you shouldn't do an offroad setup

in my area on 96 and newer the just plug into the obd port and if it sees the O2's are off its an instant fail

if they look and don't see any cats its an instant fail

the tune can turn off the O2's so you won't throw a code butthe inspection place will see that they're off

so just get a good cat back setup or read up on how NJ does emmisions and see if they're as annoying as some parts of TX
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Yep thats how it is in jersey, cars come in the shop all the time bc the o2's aren't ready and its fails for the cat/o2 readiness test
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The plan is to E-force it with the guys at work in the near future, imo I think the E-force is the best/cleanest setup out there and I don't plan on doing any internals
Roush does a pretty clean setup with the Eaton TVS which is the same blower that Edlebrock uses.

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ok if you have to do emmisions then you shouldn't do an offroad setup

in my area on 96 and newer the just plug into the obd port and if it sees the O2's are off its an instant fail

if they look and don't see any cats its an instant fail

the tune can turn off the O2's so you won't throw a code butthe inspection place will see that they're off

so just get a good cat back setup or read up on how NJ does emmisions and see if they're as annoying as some parts of TX
They check through the OBDII port here in Or. but no visual so I'll have to just swap back and forth every other year
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The plan is to E-force it with the guys at work in the near future, imo I think the E-force is the best/cleanest setup out there and I don't plan on doing any internals

Hrm...you might be listening to your guys at work more than you should.
Kenne Bell, ROUSH, and Whipple make just as solid setups.

Most people around here that want to stick with a good blower that has low psi, is a clean setup, and spares you from internal work go with the ROUSH M90 if they do not plan on doing any other work to the car.

The M90 is not what you want if you want to push it a lot further.

As far as the Catted vs. Non Catted if you are going to supercharge it you need to do some REAL research and asking around on these forums as far as getting an exhaust setup that will both pass emissions, and not risk other parts of your car.

MELLOWYELLOW06, and Vader GT are two guys I know you could talk to.
Bring up the issue about cats clogging with a supercharger and the fact that emissions is a bitch for you.

I would actually make a new thread asking about it.
Title it "How to supercharge with a catted setup and NOT hurt your car" or "Catted or No cats with Supercharger?"
Something like that. Again put in both concerns as to the cats clogging and passing emissions if you go without cats in the thread.

You will probably get a crapload of good info that way.

But I'm telling you right now.. there are a GOOD number of superchargers with JUST as a quality and clean setup, if not better than the E-force has.
Most people on here actually do not go with the E-force.

For a mild blower that people want to put on and be done with adding more power and not have to worry about forging... The M90 is
held REALLY high to people. It will not allow you to push as much boost as some other setups, but it does have a kit you can add if you do decide to.
And it's safety as far as the engine goes is pretty damn renowned... I can tell you that.
I believe most guys are pushing about 420RWHP with just the regular M90 kit. Again remember that is not crank... its to the WHEELS.
HP to the engine would net more of a HP reading.

While that is not HUGE. It is VERY NICE number for making really nice power on these cars while keeping the engine VERY safe.
Again you really dont wanna push very much more than that if you wanna stay as close to COMPLETELY safe as you can with this engine and
not dig into forging the internals.

I'd say you REALLY want to do some good research into this before just going with the E-force.
A few co workers and buddies aren't going to hold a candle to talking to people from all around the world with
multiple set-up like you get when you ask around here.
Odds are if your co workers and buddies are running the E-force and are happy.... Not only are
they likely to be one sided, but the people they know that do not have setups will tell you the same.
Simply because that is the extend of knowledge and input they have on the subject.
DEFINITELY something to think about.

Again I have not heard bad things about the E-force... But NOWHERE have I hard a consensus BY ANY MEANS
that it is the best and cleanest setup.
I have been around here for a LONG time, and to tell you the truth... I have heard more praise about the M90 by FAR when
it comes to your concerns.
And to the other guys wanting HUGE power, the Kenne Bell and Whipple are really the ones most talked about and praised.
Of course you can get either of these and keep the boost down to just a safe level to run on your stock internals, but it's all in the tune as well man.

That's why I talked about the tune in the first place. It will make or break the 05-10 4.6L Mustangs.
And ROUSH's tune for the M90 is as clean and safe as you can get.
Then again... with other mods... you are gonna have to go with a different tune.
You're looking at a custom dyno tune any way you go when you get that supercharger on if you really wanna stay safe. ESPECIALLY given
you have other mods. If not you are really risking the engine going boom for one reason or another.

Heck I insisted on a dyno tune even when I was not blown on my 06GT. I wanted to make DAMN sure I was not running to rich or lean
and had the right A/F ratio etc. on my car.
I did NOT want ANY risk of damaging my engine due to something that could be so EASILY avoided.
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Yes i agree roush does a very clean setup as well with the M90, an 08 GT came in the shop with the saleen setup, it hauled *** on the road test but its a very funny/strange blower setup
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the not ready thing will throw a code but having them switched off (ie the computer ignores them) causes the inspection computer to fail to be able to read them

it'll go through each sensor and get its status and when it comes to an off sensor it can't read it so it fails

if you have to pass emissions then just be sure you keep your cats on

the saleen blower (unless they've made a new one and I'm out of date on my info) puts the TB in the stock location I don't see how its funny or strange

but the kenny bell ones are awsome as far as power goes
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Again whatever blower you go with man,
I would DEFINITELY get a custom dyno tune on a supercharged Mustang of this generation.
Get the SCT and tune now for what you currently have. Then save the trip to a dyno tuner for later.
Of course you don't want that tune on there now without the supercharger on it hahaa.

Planning on getting supercharger is all the more reason to keep that engine in tip top shape now and
that tune will help you do just that until the time comes for the supercharger and new tune.

Make a thread about the exhaust and cats issue. You will get a great number of replies I am sure.
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Alright so I know what I've gotta do for the most part. Modding cars and working on everyday cars is two completely different ballgames
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